Lucie Ide is a physician running Rimidi, a company helping health systems manage patients with chronic conditions. They extract data from EMRs and transfer this into workflow for care teams, predominantly at ACOs and other risk bearing organizations, but also increasingly with FFS groups using RPM to manage those patients. Their current moves are to continue to extend from their first patient group (diabetes) to all types of chronic patients. We chatted about her company, but also about the wider move (or lack of it) to better manage patients in the US system–Matthew Holt
So what can we do about health care costs?
By MATTHEW HOLT
Last week Jeff Goldsmith wrote a great article in part explaining why health care costs in the US went up so much between 1965 and 2010. He also pointed out that health care has been the same portion of GDP for more than a decade (although we haven’t had a major recession in that time other than the Covid 2020 blip when it went up to 19%). However, it’s worth remembering that we are spending 17.3% of GDP while the other main OECD countries are spending 11-12%. Now it’s true that the US has lots of social problems that show up in heath spending and also that those other countries probably spend more on social services, but it’s also clear that we don’t actually deliver a lot more in services. In fact probably the most famous health economics paper of the last 50 years was Anderson & Rienhardt’s “It’s the Prices, Stupid”, which shows we just pay more for the same things. Anyone who’s looked at the price of Ozempic in the US versus in Denmark knows that’s true.
But suspend disbelief and say we actually wanted to do something about health care costs, what would we do?
There are 4 ways to cut health care costs
- Cut prices
- Cut overall use of services
- Reduce only unnecessary services
- Replace higher priced services with lower priced ones
Number 3 or reducing only unnecessary services is the health policy wonks dream.
Continue reading…The Money’s in the Wrong Place. How to Fund Primary Care
By MATTHEW HOLT
I was invited on the Health Tech Talk Show by Kat McDavitt and Lisa Bari and I kinda ranted (go to 37.16 here) about why we don’t have primary care, and where we should find the money to fix it. I finally got around to writing it up. It’s a rant but a rant with a point!
We’re spending way too much money on stuff that is the wrong thing.
30 years ago, I was taught that we were going to have universal health care reform. And then we were going to have capitated at-risk entities. then below that, you have all these tech enabled services, which are going to make all this stuff work and it’s all going to be great, right?
Go back, read your Advisory Board Company reports from 1994. It says all this.
But (deep breath here) — partly as a consequence of Obamacare & partly as a consequence of inertia in the system, and a lot because most people in health care actually work in public utilities or semi-public utilities because half the money comes from the government — instead of that, what we’ve got is this whole series of massive predominantly non-profit organizations which have made a fortune in the last decades. And they’ve stuck it all in hedge funds and now a bunch of them literally run actual hedge funds.
Ascension runs a hedge fund. They’ve got, depending who you believe, somewhere between 18 billion and 40 billion in their hedge fund. But even teeny guys are at it. There’s a hospital system in New Jersey called RWJ Barnabas. It’s around a 20 hospital system, with about $6 billion in revenue, and more than $2.5 billion in investments. I went and looked at their 990 (the tax form non-profits have to file). In a system like that–not a big player in the national scheme–how many people would you guess make more than a million dollars a year?
They actually put it on their 990 and they hope no one reads it, and no one does. The answer is 28 people – and another 14 make more than $750K a year. I don’t know who the 28th person is but they must be doing really important stuff to be paid a million dollars a year. Their executive compensation is more than the payroll of the Oakland A’s.
On the one hand, you have these organizations which are professing to be the health system serving the community, with their mission statements and all the worthy people on their boards, and on the other they literally paying millions to their management teams.
Go look at any one of these small regional hospital systems. The 990s are stuffed with people who, if they’re not making a million, they’re making $750,000. The CEOs are all making $2m up to $10 million in some cases more. But it also goes down a long way. It’s like the 1980s scene with Michael Douglas as Gordon Gecko in Wall Street criticizing all the 35 vice presidents in whatever that company was all making $200K a year.
Meanwhile, these are the same organizations that appear in the news frequently for setting debt collectors onto their incredibly poor patients who owe them thousands or sometimes just hundreds of dollars. In one case ProPublica dug up it was their own employees who owed them for hospital bills they couldn’t pay and their employer was docking their wages — from $12 an hour employees.
Continue reading…I’m on The HealthTech Marketing Show
As you read this I am winging my way to Tokyo to be at the Health Tech Sum Japan 2023, which means no THCB Gang. So to tide you over I am letting you imagine you’re listening to me there, but here! Adam Turinas, a fellow expat Brit (and Chelsea fan) had me on his podcast, The HealthTech Marketing Show this week. Half an hour of whether Digital Health is Dead and what that means–Matthew Holt
TOMORROW: ZS Impact Webinar on Digital Health
Join ZS’s Ahmed Albaiti with me, Matthew Holt, author and founder of The Health Care Blog, as we discuss the considerations and approaches that policy experts, regulators, clinical leaders and the venture capitalist community can take to affect a future for connected health technologies.
Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2023
Time: 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
Duration: 30 minutes
Interview with Oxeon CEO, Sonia Millsom
Sonia Millsom is the relatively new CEO at Oxeon, which became the dominant executive search (headhunter) firm in digital health over the past decade or so. The company was built by Trevor Price and team. Sonia discussed the transition to her leadership, the other things Oxeon does (venture studio, relationship to TownHall Ventures), and the state of the employment market in digital health. TL:DR on that, it’s slowed but they are doing a lot of work and still growing.–Matthew Holt
THCB 20th Birthday Classic: As I’ve always suspected, Health Care = Communism + Frappuccinos
By MATTHEW HOLT
Our 20th birthday continues with a few classics coming out. Back in 2005 I was really cutting a lyrical rug, and would never miss a chance to get that Cambridge training in Marxism into use. This essay about whether health care should be a public or private good has always been one of my favorites, even if I’m not sure Starbucks is still making Frappuccinos. And 18 years later the basic point of this essay remains true, even if many of you will not have a clue who Vioxx or Haliburton were or why they mattered back then!
Those of you who think I’m an unreconstructed commie will correctly suspect that I’ve always discussed Marxism in my health care talks. You’d be amazed at how many audiences of hospital administrators in the mid-west know nothing about the integral essentials of Marx’s theory of history. And I really enjoy bring the light to them, especially when I manage to reference Mongolia 1919, managed care and Communism in the same bullet point.
While I’ve always been very proud of that one (err.. maybe you have to be there, but you could always hire me to come tell it!), even if I am jesting, there’s a really loose use of the concept of Marxism in this 2005 piece (reprinted in 2009) called A Prescription for Marxism in Foreign Policy from (apparently) libertarian-leaning Harvard professor Kenneth Rogoff. He opens with this little nugget:
“Karl Marx may have suffered a second death at the end of the last century, but look for a spirited comeback in this one. The next great battle between socialism and capitalism will be waged over human health and life expectancy. As rich countries grow richer, and as healthcare technology continues to improve, people will spend ever growing shares of their income on living longer and healthier lives.”
Actually he’s right that there will be a backlash against the (allegedly) market-based capitalism — which has actually been closer to all-out mercantilist booty capitalism — that we’re seen over the last couple of decades. History tends to be reactive and societies go through long periods of reaction to what’s been seen before. In fact the 1980-20?? (10-15?) period of “conservatism” is a reaction to the 1930-1980 period of social corporatism seen in most of the western world. And any period in which the inequality of wealth and income in one society continues to grow at the current rate will eventually invite a reaction–you can ask Louis XVI of France about that.
But when Rogoff is talking about Marxism in health care what he really means is that, because health care by definition will consume more and more of our societal resources, the arguments about the creation and distribution of health care products and services will look more like the arguments seen in the debates about how the government used to allocate resources for “guns versus butter” in the 1950s. These days we are supposed to believe that government blindly accepts letting “the market” rule, even if for vast sways of the economy the government clearly rules the market, which in turn means that those corporations with political influence set the rules and the budgets (quick now, it begins with an H…).
Continue reading…Happy 20th Birthday THCB
Hard to believe it but 20 years ago (Aug 12 2003) I started writing THCB! Somehow 20 years later it’s still here. Lots of changes over the years. Hundreds of people have written for THCB, thousands have been interviewed on it, and we’ve made a little dent in the world of health care.
Next week we will run some new articles, new interviews and re-run a selection of the greatest hits….
THCB Spotlight: Dexcare CEO, Derek Streat
According to their press release, “Dexcare is a care-access platform to manage the logistics of digital-care delivery. The platform enables healthcare systems to forecast and predict demand and manage how and where care is merchandized to consumers – throughout the digital ecosystem”. What does that mean? How does it compare to a bunch of other digital health companies trying to manager consumer operations inside providers? And having been incubated not that long ago at Providence, how has this demand generation and management service grown so fast. And why has Iconiq Growth just pushed another $75m worth of chips onto the poker table in front of them?
Derek Streat has been around digital health for a while, having founded and sold an early Health 2.0 favorite, Medify. I took him through his market and what Dexcare does in a lot of detail, so hopefully you’ll find this look very educational, not only about Dexcare but also about the consumer market environment health systems are operating in. Matthew Holt
Sach Jain, CEO of Carrum Health talks to Matthew Holt
The concept of “centers of excellence” has been around for a few decades. Surely sending health plan members and self-insured employers’ employees to the best and most effective providers should improve health outcomes and save payers’ money? Sach Jain is CEO of Carrum which has been working on this problem, partnering with the best providers and aggregating that demand from employers…and putting it all on a state of the art platform. As you might suspect, it’s not as easy as it looks. Carrum raised $45m from Omers Ventures a few weeks back, on top of a decent raise from Tiger Global a couple of years back. So are they getting it right? Sach told Matthew Holt that they are for sure on their way….
