Dominique Wells is COO of Conduit Health Partners which is a spin off from the (now) Bon Secours Mercy Health system. Their role is to provide back up for nursing staff for health systems in very specific areas, notably patient transfer operations, nurse triage and patient communications. Dominique and her team showed me a brief demo of how the transfer operation works. We also got into the conversation about the role of AI in nursing, and how nursing has changed since the pandemic. An interesting discussion about how the most vital role in health care is changing and how new services are being developed to adapt to it—Matthew Holt
I’m on the Surgeon’s Record
If you want to hear a little about Commons Clinic from Benjamin Schwartz, MD but rather more from me about who knows what, it’s on The Surgeon’s Record podcast — Matthew Holt

Matthew tries Reperio’s at home health screening
We are entering an age of at home testing and the team at Reperio just raised $14m to make weight, blood pressure and cholesterol/blood sugar testing available at home. But this is a relatively complex series of tests, intended to get people who haven’t been to a primary care doctor back into the system. How is the experience and can we expect people to do it? And does the result correlate with standard lab testing? They sent me the box for me to find out. I totally screwed it up the first time (apparently only 4% of people do), but they gave me another chance. So come along with me to find out how it works. Would you do this, or just go to Labcorp?! — Matthew Holt
BTW since I did this Reperio released an early customer study that said 23% of those who used the kit found a problem they weren’t aware of. Which is I guess the point!
Anmol Madan, RadiantGraph
Anmol Madan is CEO of RadiantGraph. He’s building an end to end solution that goes from data ingestion to applications to consumer connection via text/email and voice in order to let payers quickly roll out patient engagement plans. His idea is that plans/payers don’t need to fix their data, RadiantGraph’s AI can take the messy data and and then add an AI layer, and on that create specific applications–Anmol showed me a comprehensive demo. I also asked him if they are doing too much, or conversely if they need to do more!–Matthew Holt
Ariel Katz, H1
H1 has raised over $200m to build out a very comprehensive data set of physicians internationally. Those products were primarily aimed at pharma. Now they are moving into the world of managing physician data for plans and providers, primarily via the 2025 acquisitions of Ribbon Health and Veda Health. I spoke with CEO Ariel Katz, and he took me through a demo of their system. I’ve had a nerdy interest in physician data for quite a while (I actually sketched out this product on a whiteboard at Microsoft in 2009!!) and what H1 has built is very impressive–Matthew Holt
Digital Health Hub Awards
They’re back and I’m an Executive Producer again (don’t ask what that means!). Entries are open now and close on July 31. Awards given out at HLTH on October 20. The team even made a spiffy video about it!–Matthew Holt
How to Fix the Paradox of Primary Care
By MATTHEW HOLT

If health policy wonks believe anything it’s that primary care is a good thing. In theory we should all have strong relationships with our primary care doctors. They should navigate us around the health system and be arriving on our doorsteps like Marcus Welby MD when needed. Wonks like me believe that if you introduce such a relationship patients will receive preventative care, will get on the right meds and take them, will avoid the emergency room, and have fewer hospital admissions—as well as costing a whole lot less. That’s in large the theory behind HMOs and their latter-day descendants, value-based care and ACOs
Of course there are decent examples of primary care-based systems like the UK NHS or even Kaiser Permanente or the Alaskan Artic Slope Native Health Association. But for most Americans that is fantasy land. Instead, we have a system where primary care is the ugly stepchild. It’s being slowly throttled and picked apart. Even the wealth of Walmart couldn’t make it work.
There are at least 3 types of primary care that have emerged over recent decades. And none of them are really successful in making that “primary care as the lynchpin of population health” idea work.
The first is the primary care doctor purchased by and/or working for the big system. The point of these practices is to make sure that referrals for the expensive stuff go into the correct hospital system. For a long time those primary care doctors have been losing their employers money—Bob Kocher said $150-250k a year per doctor in the late 2000s. So why are they kept around by the bigger systems? Because the patients that they do admit to the hospital are insanely profitable. Consider this NC system which ended up suing the big hospital system Atrium because they only wanted the referrals. As you might expect the “cost saving” benefits of primary care are tough to find among those systems. (If you have time watch Eric Bricker’s video on Atrium & Troyon/Mecklenberg)
The second is urgent care. Urgent care has replaced primary care in much of America. The number of urgent care centers doubled in the last decade or so. While it has taken some pressure off emergency rooms, Urgent care has replaced primary care because it’s convenient and you can easily get appointments. But it’s not doing population health and care management. And often the urgent care centers are owned either by hospital systems that are using them to generate referrals, or private equity pirates that are trying to boost costs not control them.
Thirdly telehealth, especially attached to pharmacies, has enabled lots of people to get access to medications in a cheaper and more convenient fashion. Of course, this isn’t really complete primary care but HIMS & HERS and their many, many competitors are enabling access to common antibiotics for UTIs, contraceptive pills, and also mental health medications, as well as those boner and baldness pills.
That’s not to say that there haven’t been attempts to build new types of primary care
Continue reading…Matthew on the Inside Medtech Innovation podcast
I was a guest on Shannon Lantzy‘s podcast Inside Medtech Innovation. I went on far too long about my background but we had a very fun chat, including the real origin story of why I am in health technology, and a bit about my fascination with Japan. Plus some more health care stuff. I enjoyed it. Hopefully you will too–Matthew Holt
How to Buy and Sell AI in health care? Not Easy.

By MATTHEW HOLT
It was not so long ago that you could create one of those maps of health care IT or digital health and be roughly right. I did it myself back in the Health 2.0 days, including the old sub categories of the “Rebel Alliance of New Provider Technologies” and the “Frontier of Patient Empowerment Technologies”

But those easy days of matching a SaaS product to the intended user, and differentiating it from others are gone. The map has been upended by the hurricane that is generative AI, and it has thrown the industry into a state of confusion.
For the past several months I have been trying to figure out who is going to do what in AI health tech. I’ve had lots of formal and informal conversations, read a ton and been to three conferences in the past few months all focused dead on this topic. And it’s clear no one has a good answer.
Of course this hasn’t stopped people trying to draw maps like this one from Protege. As you can tell there are hundreds of companies building AI first products for every aspect of the health care value (or lack of it!) chain.
But this time it’s different. It’s not at all clear that AI will stop at the border of a user or even have a clearly defined function. It’s not even clear that there will be an “AI for Health Tech” sector.

This is a multi-dimensional issue.
The main AI LLMs–ChatGPT (OpenAI/Microsoft), Gemini (Google/Alphabet) Claude (Anthropic/Amazon), Grok (X/Twitter), Lama (Meta/Facebook)–are all capable of incredible work inside of health care and of course outside it. They can now write in any language you like, code, create movies, music, images and are all getting better and better.
And they are fantastic at interpretation and summarization. I literally dumped a pretty incomprehensible 26 page dense CMS RFI document into ChatGPT the other day and in a few seconds it told me what they asked for and what they were actually looking for (that unwritten subtext). The CMS official who authored it was very impressed and was a little upset they weren’t allowed to use it. If I had wanted to help CMS, it would have written the response for me too.
The big LLMs are also developing “agentic” capabilities. In other words, they are able to conduct multistep business and human processes.
Right now they are being used directly by health care professionals and patients for summaries, communication and companionship. Increasingly they are being used for diagnostics, coaching and therapy. And of course many health care organizations are using them directly for process redesign.
Meanwhile, the core workhorses of health care are the EMRs used by providers, and the biggest kahuna of them all is Epic. Epic has a relationship with Microsoft which has its own AI play and also has its own strong relationship with OpenAI – or at least as strong as investing $13bn in a non-profit will make your relationship. Epic is now using Microsoft’s AI both in note summaries, patient communications et al, and also using DAX, the ambient AI scribe from Microsoft’s subsidiary Nuance. Epic also has a relationship with DAX rival Abridge
But that’s not necessarily enough and Epic is clearly building its own AI capabilities. In an excellent review over at Health IT Today John Lee breaks down Epic’s non-trivial use of AI in its clincal workflow:
- The platform now offers tools to reorganize text for readability, generate succinct, patient-friendly summaries, hospital course summaries, discharge instructions, and even translating discrete clinical data into narrative instructions.
- We will be able to automatically destigmatize language in notes (e.g., changing “narcotic abuser” to “patient has opiate use disorder”),
- Even as a physician, I sometimes have a hard time deciphering the shorthand that my colleagues so frequently use. Epic showed how AI can translate obtuse medical shorthand-like “POD 1 sp CABG. HD stable. Amb w asst.”-into plain language: “Post op day 1 status post coronary bypass graft surgery. Hemodynamically stable. Patient is able to ambulate with assist.”
- For nurses, ambient documentation and AI-generated shift notes will be available, reducing manual entry and freeing up time for patient care.
And of course Epic isn’t the only EHR (honestly!). Its competitors aren’t standing still. Meditech’s COO Helen Waters gave a wide-ranging interview to HISTalk. I paid particular attention to her discussion of their work with Google in AI and I am quoting almost all of it:
This initial product was built off of the BERT language model. It wasn’t necessarily generative AI, but it was one of their first large language models. The feature in that was called Conditions Explorer, and that functionality was really a leap forward. It was intelligently organizing the patient information directly from within the chart, and as the physician was working in the chart workflow, offering both a longitudinal view of the patient’s health by specific conditions and categorizing that information in a manner that clinicians could quickly access relevant information to particular health issues, correlated information, making it more efficient in informed decision making. <snip>
Beyond that, with the Vertex AI platform and certainly multiple iterations of Gemini, we’ve walked forward to offer additional AI offerings in the category of gen AI, and that includes both a physician hospital course-of-stay narrative at the end of a patient’s time in the hospital to be discharged. We actually generate the course-of-stay, which has been usually beneficial for docs to not have to start to build that on their own.
We also do the same for nurses as they switch shifts. We give a nurse shift summary, which basically categorizes the relevant information from the previous shift and saves them quite a bit of time. We are using the Vertex AI platform to do that. And in addition to everyone else under the sun, we have obviously delivered and brought live ambient scribe capabilities with AI platforms from a multitude of vendors, which has been successful for the company as well.
The concept of Google and the partnership remains strong. The results are clear with the vision that we had for Expanse Navigator. The progress continues around the LLMs, and what we’re seeing is great promise for the future of these technologies helping with administrative burdens and tasks, but also continued informed capacities to have clinicians feel strong and confident in the decisions they’re making.
The voice capabilities in the concept of agentic AI will clearly go far beyond ambient scribing, which is both exciting and ironic when you think about how the industry started with a pen way back when, we took them to keyboards, and then we took them to mobile devices, where they could tap and swipe with tablets and phones. Now we’re right back to voice, which I think will be pleasing provided it works efficiently and effectively for clinicians.
So if you read–not even between the lines but just what they are saying–Epic, which dominates AMCs and big non-profit health systems, and Meditech, the EMR for most big for-profit systems like HCA, are both building AI into their platforms for almost all of the workflow that most clinicians and administrators use.
I raised this issue a number of different ways at a meeting hosted by Commure, the General Catalyst-backed provider-focused AI company. Commure has been through a number of iterations in its 8 year life but it is now an AI platform on which it is building several products or capabilities. (For more here’s my interview with CEO Tannay Tandon). These include (so far!) administration, revenue cycle, inventory and staff tracking, ambient listening/scribing, clinical workflow, and clinical summarization. You can bet there’s more to come via development or acquisition. In addition Commure is doing this not only with the deep pocketed backing of General Catalyst but also with partial ownership from HCA–incidentally Meditech’s biggest client. That means HCA has to figure out what Commure is doing compared to Meditech.
Finally there’s also a ton of AI activity using the big LLMs internally within AMCs and in providers, plans and payers generally. Don’t forget that all these players have heavily customized many of the tools (like Epic) which external vendors have sold them. They are also making their AI vendors “forward deploy” engineers to customize their AI tools to the clients’ workflow. But they are also building stuff themselves. For instance Stanford just released a homegrown product that uses AI to communicate lab results to patients. Not bought from a vendor, but developed internally using Anthropic’s Claude LLM. There are dozens and dozens of these homegrown projects happening in every major health care enterprise. All those data scientists have to keep busy somehow!
So what does that say about the role of AI?
First it’s clear that the current platforms of record in health care–the EHRs–are viewing themselves as massive data stores and are expecting that the AI tools that they and their partners develop will take over much of the workflow currently done by their human users.
Second, the law of tech has usually been that water flows downhill. More and more companies and products end up becoming features on other products and platforms. You may recall that there used to be a separate set of software for writing (Wordperfect), presentation (Persuasion), spreadsheets (Lotus123) and now there is MS Office and Google Suite. Last month a company called Brellium raised $16m from presumably very clever VCs to summarize clinical notes and analyze them for compliance. Now watch them prove me wrong, but doesn’t it seem that everyone and their dog has already built AI to summarize and analyze clinical notes? Can’t one more analysis for compliance be added on easily? It’s a pretty good bet that this functionality will be part of some bigger product very soon.
(By the way, one area that might be distinct is voice conversation, which right now does seem to have a separate set of skills and companies working in it because interpreting human speech and conversing with humans is tricky. Of course that might be a temporary “moat” and these companies or their products may end up back in the main LLM soon enough).
Meanwhile, Vine Kuraitis, Girish Muralidharan & the late Jody Ranck just wrote a 3 part series on how the EMR is moving anyway towards becoming a bigger unified digital health platform which suggests that the clinical part of the EMR will be integrated with all the other process stuff going on in health systems. Think staffing, supplies, finance, marketing, etc. And of course there’s still the ongoing integration between EMRs and medical devices and sensors across the hospital and eventually the wider health ecosystem.
So this integration of data sets could quickly lead to an AI dominated super system in which lots of decisions are made automatically (e.g. AI tracking care protocols as Robbie Pearl suggested on THCB a while back), while some decisions are operationally made by humans (ordering labs or meds, or setting staffing schedules) and finally a few decisions are more strategic. The progress towards deep research and agentic AI being made by the big LLMs has caused many (possibly including Satya Nadella) to suggest that SaaS is dead. It’s not hard to imagine a new future where everything is scraped by the AI and agents run everything globally in a health system.
This leads to a real problem for every player in the health care ecosystem.
If you are buying an AI system, you don’t know if the application or solution you are buying is going to be cannibalized by your own EHR, or by something that is already being built inside your organization.
If you are selling an AI system, you don’t know if your product is a feature of someone else’s AI, or if the skill is in the prompts your customers want to develop rather than in your tool. And worse, there’s little penalty in your potential clients waiting to see if something better and cheaper comes along.
And this is happening in a world in which there are new and better LLM and other AI models every few months.
I think for now the issue is that, until we get a clearer understanding of how all this plays out, there will be lots of false starts, funding rounds that don’t go anywhere, and AI implementations that don’t achieve much. Reports like the one from Sofia Guerra and Steve Kraus at Bessmer may help, giving 59 “jobs to be done”. I’m just concerned that no one will be too sure what the right tool for the job is.
Of course I await my robot overlords telling me the correct answer.
Matthew Holt is the Publisher of THCB
Patrick Quigley, Sidecar Health
Patrick Quigley is the CEO of Sidecar Health. It’s a start up health insurance company that has a new approach to how employers and employees buy health care. Sidecar is betting on the radical pricing transparency idea. Instead of going down the contacting and narrow network route, Sidecar presents average area pricing and individual provider pricing to its members, and rewards them if they go to lower cost providers (who often are cheaper). How does this all work and is it real? Patrick took me through an extensive demo and explained how this all works. There’s a decent amount of complexity behind the scenes but Sidecar is creating something very rare in America, a priced health care market allowing consumers to choose–Matthew Holt