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Matthew Holt is the founder and publisher of The Health Care Blog and still writes regularly for the site and hosts the #THCBGang and #HealthInTwoPoint00 video shows/podcasts. He was co-founder of the Health 2.0 Conference and now also does advisory work mostly for health tech startups at his consulting firm SMACK.health.

Hunting down my $34.94 lab test. An journey into the bowels of insurance billing (part 3)

By MATTHEW HOLT

So I am back dealing with Labcorp & Blue Shield of California over the mysterious $34.94 copay. If you want to catch up go here

Over the weekend Labcorp sent me a final due notice on my bill…. the one that they couldn’t tell me about without asking for all the information they already had.

I call Labcorp customer service in the Philipinnes. The friendly rep says that they have had a message saying that “the insurance company requires that Labcorp provides documentation from the ordering physician”. What documentation, I ask? A letter that tells them what the updated codes are. Given that the Brown & Toland Physicians rep told me those codes and they must have been sent them by Labcorp when Labcorp sent in the claim, that seems to make no sense. I’m not yet prepared to ask my doctor’s office to get involved in this! (Better look out though, Andrew Diamond!). So I’ll let that go for a moment.

However, Labcorp says that they received an EOB from Blue Shield of California PPO–it had my correct member number even though I am an HMO not PPO member. No the EOB did not come from the IPA Brown & Toland Physicians, and yes I asked very precisely. The EOB says the co-pay is $34.94. Labcorp can’t ascribe it to any one of the 5 individual lab tests (which all look preventative under the ACA to me but maybe one isn’t). So the $34.94 is the copay from the EOB that Blue Shield of California sent to Labcorp.

They asked me for my copy of the EOB. I sent one 5 days ago, but sent it again just to be sure.

Next up, asking Blue Shield of California what precisely they sent to Labcorp saying my co-pay is $34.94 when the one they sent me (well have on their website) says $0. Oh and by the way, the standard copay for labs on my plan is $50, not $34.94!

On my Blue Shield of California member portal there’s a message with a letter. Apparently they opened a customer grievance for me! I called the customer grievance number in the letter. According the answering IVR message there is a chat option for providers with grievances, but not one for consumers. My hold time is estimated at 20 minutes. A nice rep called Susie comes on in only 15 mins.

After verifying that she knows who I am she says there are 2 different grievances! One is an appeal for the lab test & one is a complaint about the process, both opened August 12. I suspect they were initiated by the nice man from the Executive office who called me on that day. Rep Susie is limited to telling me that appeal status. But she tells me that an appeal coordinator is looking into the complaint and will be back in touch within 30 days. AND she gives me an email to reach said coordinator at! So I sent that person an email….lets see what happens!

Matthew Holt is the founder and publisher of THCB

When is Preventative Care not Preventative? Let’s get Labcorp to join in! (Part 2) (with UPDATE)

By MATTHEW HOLT

To join in the fun I am having with Blue Shield of California & Brown & Toland Physicians IPA being unable to tell me why I have a $34.94 bill for lab work (see image) that should either be covered as preventable under the ACA, or have co-pay of $50 (see image of the BS of CA screenshot for the $50), I called Labcorp.

After 6 minutes I got a very confused person. BTW there is NO way to communicate with Labcorp on the website, and if you put your invoice number into their IVR system there is NO way to get a human. The only way to do that is to hang up and start again, NOT put in your invoice number and hit 0. Then wait on hold with muzak to get a human. They then ask your DOB and phone number. The call center is in the Philippines BTW.

I explained that I wanted information on which test was not covered under the ACA. Brown and Toland/Blue Shield’s EOB says I have a $0 co-pay (see image).

The Labcorp rep told me that of the 5 tests done (with CPT code and price), 3 were not covered. The Lipid (85027 $107.10), the A1C (80061 – $81.90) Uric Acid (84550 $43.05). 2 of those 3 clearly are covered under the ACA. The Uric Acid one may not be according to my reading of the CMS site. Labcorp submitted that bill to Blue Shield. The rep consistently told me the claim was sent to Blue Cross Blue Shield of CA, which doesn’t exist.



At that point — 15 minutes in — the call dropped. I don’t know if they just hung up but they had asked for my phone number. They didn’t call me back.

But I am a pain in the ass, and I called them back. After roughly 4 mins on hold, I got another rep. She told me ALL of the CPT codes/lab tests were subject to copay. She told me that Blue Shield (NOT Brown & Toland Physicians) has bundled all of these codes and there is a co pay for all of them. Which is what the bill says.

So the only thing I can do is to send an email with the screenshot of the EOB, which is from the IPA not Blue Shield. So I did that and may get a response in 3-5 business days.

I know you are on tenterhooks. Let’s see what happens next but the complete absence of anything resembling consumer transparency or access to the relevant information makes a mockery of everything Paul Markovich says on stage.

UPDATE. Labcorp both emailed me back AND asked me to contact them on Linkedin. See what they asked for! Yes even though they have sent me a bill and I sent them the invoice number, they want every detail possible about the claim they ALREADY have!

Full email below just for giggles

Oh and when I went to DM them on Linkedin as they requested their account was not accepting DMs!

2nd UPDATE: A very nice man from the Blue Shield of California corporate office called me up. We discussed whether the care I got was preventative or not and why I was being charged the $34.94. Of course he didn’t know. He agreed with me that it was a shit show, and actually started to complain that sometime HE had been charged for preventative stuff he thought should have been free.. He didn’t have any solution other than calling Brown and Toland to cancel the charge, but I told him I didn’t want any special treatment (at least not yet!).  I told him I wanted no special favors, but I wanted the claim reprocessed and an explanation.

And there’s a part 3!

Matthew Holt is the founder and publisher of THCB

How exactly is my lab test co-pay $34.94?

By MATTHEW HOLT

I moved over something I wrote on linkedin, so that it doesn’t vanish. I do this type of thing so you don’t have to & to make Brett Jansen happy I am writing in one line paragraphs.

My question, is how do LabCorp, Brown & Toland and Blue Shield Of California come up with this stuff?

1. I go for my free annual checkup

2. I get blood/lab tests which AFAICT are included in the ACA free checkup.

3. My pre-diabetes is still “pre”. My cholesterol is good!

4. Blue Shield of California puts the claim on its website. The EOB representation says
–total billed $322.28
–In network savings $271.37
(note difference is $50.91)
–Patient responsibility $0

5. Then it has 5 sub-charges for different tests (which I assume total to the $322.28). All have a different price. All say “in network savings” of the same amount. All say Patient Responsibility $0

6. Labcorp sends me a bill. For $322.28. “Adjustments” $287.34. Difference $34.94.

7. I call Blue Shield of California customer service. Its annoying as hell automated system reads me the claim EOB that I can see on the website.

8. After a few minutes of that I hit 0 and get a human eventually. After a loooong time she goes to call Brown and Toland, the IPA that is somehow involved in the lab billing. They tell her that I do indeed owe $35. (26 mins on the call)

9. I ask her why, given they are allegedly free under the ACA, I am being charged for these lab tests. She says that the medical group has sent her the CPT codes and she can tell me which of the 5 lab tests I owe for.

10. (On the Labcorp bill the charges are split up by test [no codes provided], but the “adjustment” is to the total, so there’s no way to tell what the adjustment per test is. Reminder that on the BS site, they all adjust to $0.)

11. But that information is not in whatever documentation the IPA gave her. She goes back to call them AGAIN. Because, yes I am difficult and I did ask her to. Minute 37 at this stage

12. Minute 45. The person from the IPA comes on line. She keeps asking if I want a service or a diagnosis code. But tells me they will review the claim. My guess is that one of these codes doesn’t count as preventative. Eventually she gave me the 5 CPT codes for the tests.

13. The BS rep is still on the call. She chimes in and the IPA rep (who I think is in India judging by accent and bad phone connection) agrees that my lab copay is $50. (BTW the BS rep is clearly American but her phone connection is dreadful too!)

14. After a lot of clarification (OK, me leading the witnesses) they both agree that if the co-pay is $50 but my bill is $34.94, then something is off, and maybe one of the codes has been classified as non-preventative, therefore not free under the ACA.

15 The IPA (Brown & Toland Physicians) rep is going to resubmit this to the claims team. I should get a new EOB. From whom I have no idea. I thank them both for their time and we hang up. 1 hour 4 minutes

I know that wasted more than $34.94 of my time, and certainly way more than that of Blue Shield of California & Brown & Toland Physicians money. But it’s just an indication of how screwed up internal billing and customer service is at these antique orgs!

If you want to follow along, there’s a part 2!

Matthew Holt is the founder, author and publisher of THCB

Ami Parekh & Ankoor Shah, Included Health

Ami Parekh is the Chief Health Officer & Ankoor Shah, is VP, Clinical Excellence at Included Health. I had a long conversation with them about the philosophy of how we are doing population health and how we fix the system that we have today. I’m arguing for more primary care, but Ami restated it and says, you need somone you trust who is an expert who can help you make decisions. And this might not be a human! How do we change the system, and how does telehealth work now and how will it change? Defining health from the person perspective, not the way the health system wants to define it! Matthew Holt

Are the MA(HT)GA crowd going to be proud of themselves?

By MATTHEW HOLT

I have been trying hard to suppress this line of thought but when I woke up in the middle of the night with this piece basically fully formed in my head I couldn’t not write it. Yes I might lose some friends, but someone in health tech has to say this.

Last week a bunch of health tech companies, providers, plans and others went to the White House to an event remarkably called “Make American Health Technology Great Again”. The main organizer Amy Gleason is someone I consider an industry friend. No one can doubt her credentials in wanting to help patients, especially given her daughter Morgan’s medical condition and her awful experience in the health system. The initiatives spelled out–while they are voluntary and based on actions and regulations that are already on the books–will be net net good for American health care, and good for patients. 

Now, almost everything proposed is happening anyway. Anyone in health tech knows that it’s much easier to get health data and to run AI on it than it was in 2020, and it was way easier to get health data in 2020 than it was in 2016. Yes, of course it should be better and easier than it currently is. Yes, it should have happened quicker. Yes, the big provider systems and their main EMR Epic have not exactly bent over backwards to make data access more convenient for patients and innovators. Yes, of course there are too many demands to “send us a fax”. I personally had great fun with a UCSF-affiliated hospital last week, speaking to 5 different people and ending up both emailing and faxing them a referral to get an appointment. I’m pretty sure I’ll be doing the same thing in 2028. 

You can read tons more about the plans, the event and the voluntary agreement from luminaries like Lisa Bari and new dad Brendan Keeler.

But none of that is what is troubling me. What is deeply disturbing is the normalization of the people allegedly in charge of the nation’s health and health tech and the nonchalance and even knee-bending of those who went to the event last week.

Now I wasn’t there, even if several industry friends and clients were. I was at several similar events back in the Obama administration, but what we have seen from this Trump administration is a radical and toxic departure from America’s leadership in health and democracy, and it is not acceptable.

This is encapsulated by the people on the dias, and the actions they have taken.

Trump and his administration have committed so many egregious authoritarian acts that there’s no way to list them all. Just because people voted for him and the Congress and Judiciary is neutered does not obviate the fact that he was – deep breath – convicted of rape and separately found to be lying about mortgages in a civil court; convicted of 34 felonies for essentially tampering with the 2016 election; and impeached twice–once for politicizing America’s foreign policy and once for starting a violent coup. Don’t forget that at the time of the 2024 election he was being–another deep breath–prosecuted for stealing (and presumably selling) state secrets; being prosecuted for vote tampering in Georgia; and being prosecuted for planning the coup on Jan 6. It’s worth pointing out that two countries that have recent experience of dictatorships (Korea and Brazil) have both prosecuted and banned from office the leaders who attempted similar crimes there. (Incidentally I highly recommend you watch I’m Still Here, the Oscar-winning story of one family whose father was “disappeared” under Brazil’s military dictatorship in the 1970s).

Since his return to office, Trump has overseen the greatest direct political corruption ever in this country – you can bribe him directly via his memecoin. He has also overseen the transformation of ICE into an American-style Gestapo. Masked unidentified ICE agents are now snatching people, including both citizens and legal immigrants, off the streets and burying them in concentration camps here and abroad. Don’t forget that many immigrants or first generation immigrants are heading up those health tech companies at the meeting last week, not to mention how many poor, and perhaps undocumented, immigrants are working in our health care system. 

I haven’t even mentioned the impending cuts to Medicaid, the program for the poorest Americans, which will be the result of Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill Act”. That is sure to have a terrible effect on patients and on much of the health system, including many health tech companies trying to support Medicaid patients.

I didn’t even mention Epstein! And this is the guy America’s health care community wants to go and politely applaud just because he reads a speech about interoperability?

And it doesn’t stop there.

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Emily & Me–Money Remaking Medicine

The super connector and super intelligent Emily Peters, (who has quite her own patient adventure story–tl:dr GO GIVE BLOOD) and has written several books including Artists Remaking Medicine, is working on another one called Money Remaking Medicine. She invited me on a show called the Positive Deviants Detectives which is kind of a book club called the Health Care Reinvention Collaborative all hosted by the very wise Dawn Ellison. We talked and the audience joined in about the history of money, HMOs and more in health care and whether we can re-fangle it to make the money do the right things. Matthew Holt

Steve Brown, CureWise — AI for patients

Steve Brown is a genuine digital health OG. Starting with video games for kids with diabetes he eventually turned Health Hero into one of the first disease management companies. It was used in the VA to manage patients at home with CHF, diabetes and more and eventually sold to Bosch. Steve left health care for 15 years, but then at the start of this year had his own health issue. Which turned out to be cancer. He turned to AI and has built an amazing early stage patient facing AI doctor, called CureWise. It essentially has turned LLMs into multiple doctors. He gave me a full and fascinating demo. This is clearly the future but it’s also the present for Steve who is patient zero and the first user as well as the CEO. Amazing stuff. — Matthew Holt

V Bento, Sword Health

I got to interview V Bento the CEO of Sword Health. We had been in a little back and forth on Linkedin but this was the first time we actually had talked. Almost all of their business is in the US in MSK but they have recently added mental health and V is not shy in talking about the other areas they are heading into. They have had some controversial moments. They just raised money at an amount ($4 Bn) higher than larger rival MSK health outfit Hinge Health is trading at on the public market. Then I used it a year ago via Blue Shield of CA, and found it effective but expensive. Finally, there’s a lawsuit from the folks at Aging 2.0 who claim that they are owed equity from an accelerator Sword was part of in the 2010s.

V talked about all of these, specifically about how they are now charging their clients, and why he thinks they are worth their valuation–which apparently has no special terms for general Catalyst which invested at that valuation. He wouldn’t talk about the lawsuit other than to say he was happy with his position. But we had a good discussion and got to hear about their new tech, including their use of AI, and why V is so bullish on the company moving beyond MSK. Matthew Holt

Dominique Wells, Conduit Health Partners

Dominique Wells is COO of Conduit Health Partners which is a spin off from the (now) Bon Secours Mercy Health system. Their role is to provide back up for nursing staff for health systems in very specific areas, notably patient transfer operations, nurse triage and patient communications. Dominique and her team showed me a brief demo of how the transfer operation works. We also got into the conversation about the role of AI in nursing, and how nursing has changed since the pandemic. An interesting discussion about how the most vital role in health care is changing and how new services are being developed to adapt to it—Matthew Holt

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