Dr Kaelee Brockway is a professor of education and physical therapy who has built a series of AI based “patients” for her PT students to train on. Kaelee is a pioneer in using these tools for training. She showed me the personas that she has built with LLMs that are now being used by her students to figure out how to train their soft skills–a huge part of any training. This a great demo and discussion about how clinical professionals are going to use LLMs in their training and their work–Matthew Holt
Owen Tripp, Included Health, talks AI
“So far AI in health care is being used to drive existing profits on workflows and increase revenue per event that patients in the end have to pay for. That’s not a win for anyone long term!” Included Health’s CEO Owen Tripp dives into the present and future use of AI, LLMs, patient self-triage and self treatment and all that. Another interesting conversation on where patient facing AI will end up — Matthew Holt
BTW here’s my Conversation with Ami Parekh & Ankoor Shah
Here’s Owen Tripp discussing Included Health.
Here’s Owen’s piece on AI, What’s in your chatbot?
Ami Parekh & Ankoor Shah, Included Health
Ami Parekh is the Chief Health Officer & Ankoor Shah, is VP, Clinical Excellence at Included Health. I had a long conversation with them about the philosophy of how we are doing population health and how we fix the system that we have today. I’m arguing for more primary care, but Ami restated it and says, you need somone you trust who is an expert who can help you make decisions. And this might not be a human! How do we change the system, and how does telehealth work now and how will it change? Defining health from the person perspective, not the way the health system wants to define it! Matthew Holt
Steve Brown, CureWise — AI for patients
Steve Brown is a genuine digital health OG. Starting with video games for kids with diabetes he eventually turned Health Hero into one of the first disease management companies. It was used in the VA to manage patients at home with CHF, diabetes and more and eventually sold to Bosch. Steve left health care for 15 years, but then at the start of this year had his own health issue. Which turned out to be cancer. He turned to AI and has built an amazing early stage patient facing AI doctor, called CureWise. It essentially has turned LLMs into multiple doctors. He gave me a full and fascinating demo. This is clearly the future but it’s also the present for Steve who is patient zero and the first user as well as the CEO. Amazing stuff. — Matthew Holt
V Bento, Sword Health
I got to interview V Bento the CEO of Sword Health. We had been in a little back and forth on Linkedin but this was the first time we actually had talked. Almost all of their business is in the US in MSK but they have recently added mental health and V is not shy in talking about the other areas they are heading into. They have had some controversial moments. They just raised money at an amount ($4 Bn) higher than larger rival MSK health outfit Hinge Health is trading at on the public market. Then I used it a year ago via Blue Shield of CA, and found it effective but expensive. Finally, there’s a lawsuit from the folks at Aging 2.0 who claim that they are owed equity from an accelerator Sword was part of in the 2010s.
V talked about all of these, specifically about how they are now charging their clients, and why he thinks they are worth their valuation–which apparently has no special terms for general Catalyst which invested at that valuation. He wouldn’t talk about the lawsuit other than to say he was happy with his position. But we had a good discussion and got to hear about their new tech, including their use of AI, and why V is so bullish on the company moving beyond MSK. Matthew Holt
Dominique Wells, Conduit Health Partners
Dominique Wells is COO of Conduit Health Partners which is a spin off from the (now) Bon Secours Mercy Health system. Their role is to provide back up for nursing staff for health systems in very specific areas, notably patient transfer operations, nurse triage and patient communications. Dominique and her team showed me a brief demo of how the transfer operation works. We also got into the conversation about the role of AI in nursing, and how nursing has changed since the pandemic. An interesting discussion about how the most vital role in health care is changing and how new services are being developed to adapt to it—Matthew Holt
Anmol Madan, RadiantGraph
Anmol Madan is CEO of RadiantGraph. He’s building an end to end solution that goes from data ingestion to applications to consumer connection via text/email and voice in order to let payers quickly roll out patient engagement plans. His idea is that plans/payers don’t need to fix their data, RadiantGraph’s AI can take the messy data and and then add an AI layer, and on that create specific applications–Anmol showed me a comprehensive demo. I also asked him if they are doing too much, or conversely if they need to do more!–Matthew Holt
Ariel Katz, H1
H1 has raised over $200m to build out a very comprehensive data set of physicians internationally. Those products were primarily aimed at pharma. Now they are moving into the world of managing physician data for plans and providers, primarily via the 2025 acquisitions of Ribbon Health and Veda Health. I spoke with CEO Ariel Katz, and he took me through a demo of their system. I’ve had a nerdy interest in physician data for quite a while (I actually sketched out this product on a whiteboard at Microsoft in 2009!!) and what H1 has built is very impressive–Matthew Holt
Roy Schoenberg, AileenAI
Last week longtime AmWell CEO Roy Schoenberg announced, in the New England Journal of Medicine no less, that he was building a companion AI for the elderly called Aileen. We took a dive into the state of play for digital health, what happened at AmWell, and what the goal is for the AI companion. It’s early days but Roy has an interesting idea for how AI will work in the future to be the underlying platform to manage the elder consumer experience. Always a great conversation with Roy and this is no exception–Matthew Holt
Owen Tripp, Included Health
Owen Tripp is CEO of Included Health. It started way back in the 2010s as a second opinion service but now has added telehealth, continuous primary care, behavioral health and guidance for its populations. He’s taken to calling what they do all in one personalized healthcare. Underlying all this is a data integration and analytics platform that’s now being used by some of the biggest employers including Walmart, Comcast, CALPers and more. Essentially Included Health is building the new multi-specialty medical group. Owen & I really got into the details and had a great conversation about how we develop a “3rd way” between the payers and providers–Matthew Holt
