I believe I am one the few commentators on the Internet who routinely compares the fields of health and education (see previous posts here and here). The reason: lessons from one field are often applicable to the other.
The parallels are obvious: In both fields (1) we have systematically suppressed normal market forces; (2) the entity that pays the bill is usually separate from the beneficiaries of the spending; (3) providers of the services see the payers, not the beneficiaries, as their real customers and often shape their practice to satisfy the payers’ demands — even if the beneficiaries are made worse off; (4) even though the providers and the payers are in a constant tug-of-war over what is to be paid for and how much, the beneficiaries are almost never part of these discussions; and (5) there is rampant inefficiency on a scale not found in other markets.
Long before there was a Dartmouth Atlas for health care, education researchers found large differences in per pupil spending (more than three to one among large school districts, e.g.) that were unrelated to differences in results. In fact, study after study has found no correlation between education spending and education results. (See Linda Gorman’s summary at Econlog.)
Internationally, the parallels continue. Just as the United States is said to spend more than any other country and produce worse outcomes in health care, the same claim is now made for education.
The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) tests 15-year-olds for proficiency in reading, math and science in thousands of schools all over the world. Here is Richard Posner’s summary:
The latest results (which are for 2009) reveal among other things that although the United States spends more money per student on secondary school education than any other country except Switzerland and Austria, Americans’ performance on the PISA tests is mediocre. In the latest tests Americans ranked 17 in reading, 24 in science, and 30 in math. 15-year-old kids in East Asian nations (including Australia and New Zealand), along with Finland, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Canada, outperform the United States in all three subjects. Since 2000, when the PISA tests were first given, the United States has fallen in rank in reading and science, and is unchanged in math.
Yet, do we really spend more and get less? The fact that the market has been completely suppressed in both health and education means that no one is facing real prices. Spending totals, therefore, do not reflect real resource uses. In health care, National Center for Policy Analysis researchers found that doctors, nurses, hospitals days, hospital beds, etc., per capita in the U.S. are actually below the OECD average. As for outcomes, in those areas where medicine (rather than behavior and environment) make the greatest difference, the U.S. appears to be the best in the world. (See our international survey.)
Similar observations appear to apply to the field of education. If we take the pupil-teacher ratio as an indication of real resources used, the United States employs fewer teachers than the OECD average in secondary education and slightly more teachers in primary schools. Overall, we appear to be in the middle of the pack.
What about outcomes? As Posner notes:
The 2009 PISA test scores reveal that in American schools in which only a small percentage (no more than 10 percent) of the students receive free lunches or reduced-cost lunches, which are benefits provided to students from poor families, the PISA reading test scores are the highest in the world. But in the many American schools in which 75 percent or more of the students are from poor families, the scores are the second lowest among the 34 countries of the OECD; and the OECD includes such countries as Mexico, Turkey, Portugal, and Slovakia.
University of Chicago graduate student Tino Sanandaji (for whom English is obviously not the first language) has gone even further. He finds that when American students of European descent (removing Asians, Hispanics, African-Americans, etc.) are compared to Europeans (minus European immigrants), American students score well above the European average.
Overall, Catherine Rampell finds there is very little relationship between spending and results across countries. As the following charts show, two factors that matter much more are how educated the parents are and what proportion of students come from socioeconomically disadvantaged backgrounds:
Questions to ponder:
1. Given all the similarities between health and education, why do so many people in each field ignore what’s happening in the other?
2. Why do so many people in health policy think they can succeed with the very reforms that have failed (e.g., pilot programs, electronic gadgetry) in education for 25 years?
Let us know what you think.
John C. Goodman, PhD, is president and CEO of the National Center for Policy Analysis. He is also the Kellye Wright Fellow in health care. The mission of the Wright Fellowship is to promote a more patient-centered, consumer-driven health care system. Dr. Goodman’s Health Policy Blog is considered among the top conservative health care blogs on the internet where pro-free enterprise, private sector solutions to health care problems are discussed by top health policy experts from all sides of the political spectrum.
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Its very useful to compare the two fields. In fact part of healthcare problem lies in education. High education debt is the reason many physicians use to justify their pursuit of wealth at accelrated pace.
The impression is being made that if normal markets were not supressed we would have much better returns.
There is deeper malaise. Let me elucidate. Nate has referred to this in sundry rants.
Physicians rant that in doctor ratings they get evalauted on parking space, admin staff courtesy, appt availability and how they smile and put up song and dance for patients. Diagnostic capability assesment is rare. Now come the hospitals. They sell based on latest gadgetry availability and beauty and size of real estate. Nate has ranted, what does fountain have to do with curing and why is that in hospital.
But people do choose the biggest and jazziest hospital.
Now comes education. It is expensive once again. How do students choose university? University know how they do-ultra modern dorm with all sports facilities and other luxuries. Then also that big and beautiful real estate of academic area. Parents and students pay through nose. Side effect- since they are paying through nose, they want big bang for the buck setting up vicious circle. Robert F Kennedy school in LA cost $578 million to construct. Leaving politics apart, I wondered at end result value. I heard one planner of that school say that ambience motivates students to study better.
If spending money is criteria for percieved quality measure, then money expenditure is the only guaranteed outcome. Quality is accidental.
Wrong expecation or wrong priorities are not cured by any market measures.
Regarding beating down of US school system, I wouldn’t be such an eager participant. Test score hide group capabilities & creativity of US students, which might be best in world. Public school system may have limitations but for most part teachers go to extreme limits in meet everyone’s expectations. If the scores are still low it is due to effort missing at home. And there is no benefit of being topper in test scores in world. For that you will have to have your kids wake up till mid night studying and then cramming in breakfast in schoolbus and skipping all sports and physical exercises. It’s wrong priority and wrong expectation. Same as what’s happening is many schools where it’s completely score driven.
I’ve often thought of writing something on health care versus education, which share the problem of lots of money for not very good results, and agree there are things we could learn more deeper analysis. The two areas do share lack of direct connection between services & payment, and another commonality is that “quality” is very difficult to measure and thus hard to impact. I think education may have an even harder time overcoming its inertia, partly because the third party “buyers” are even more fragmented and partly because the unionization makes change more challenging.
I’d be curious to know how the % of people opting for private health insurance in public care systems like England compares to % of people opting for private education in public education systems like in the U.S.
“University of Chicago graduate student Tino Sanandaji (for whom English is obviously not the first language) has gone even further. He finds that when American students of European descent (removing Asians, Hispanics, African-Americans, etc.) are compared to Europeans (minus European immigrants), American students score well above the European average.”
Suggesting that American schools are actually pretty good. The question is the ROI.
I enjoy reading in-depth articles, not snipets of information as is done in Histalk. There is a new contributor to Histslk, “Dr. Jayne.” The doctor is a fictional character, much like “Inga”, who is really a man. Just read the recent comment from Inga:
“”With the hottie Dr. Jayne now on board,…”
Inga of Histalk, I agree with past writers saying you are a man. This is the most obvious indication to date.
Nobody, not even co-workers who are lesbian, describe other women as “hottie”.
The whole shoe fetish is over the top as well. It’s ok for men to have a shoe fetish. My gay neighbor has one, and so does Harry Stephen Lieber. His favorite are red 3″ high heeled pumps.
Enough of the charade, ok? Let’s focus on real issues, such as faulty EHRs and imposter certification commissions.
You may want to look at my Health Care Blog post on physician report cards where I go into great detail about the parallels between the efforts to increase accountability for both physicians and teachers (http://ow.ly/3CR8P).