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POLICY: Up at spot on–The Garden Hose Health Care Brigade

I wanted to call it “Hillary Clinton meets Ann Rand,” but my Spot-on Editor decided that she really liked the notion of privatizing the fire department. So I’m up over there dissing on the The Garden Hose Health Care Brigade.

As ever come back here to comment.

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Peter

Stuart I’m giving in to better judgement and responding to such a stupid comment by you about me. I’m assuming you think you’re quoting Thomas Jefferson. Please go to this site and its links for a much more intelligent view of the complete Thomas Jefferson and his views on majority rule.
http://www.cronaca.com/archives/003038.html

Stuart Browning
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Peter – Why can’t you at least be honest enough to admit that what you mean by “democracy” is mob rule unencumbered by any protections for the rights of individuals?

Peter
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Peter

“The problem with healthcare is that the people who are least well served by our system have already dropped out politically.” “We have a society whose government has a monstrous credibility problem.” And who created that and who does it serve? Those who control through power and money hate democracy. So how do you control democracy and limit people’s involvement. You create a system where only money can buy access and real participation – voting and writing letters are only the bread crumbs. You reward your contributors with jobs and contracts so that government is largely controlled, not by the… Read more »

Stuart Browning
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Matthew,
I understand. You’re quite new to the idea of individual rights and the notion of a free society. I suggest starting with “The Fountainhead” (my favorite) and graduating to “Atlas Shrugged” after you have a good grounding.

Matthew Holt
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Stuart’s right, even though he wasn’t able to come to the session (so disappointing), her name is Ayn not Ann. Meanwhile I tried, I really tried to read Atlas Shrugged. Talk about telegraphing your intentions….pity she couldn’t afford an editor.

Stuart Browning
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make that “dispose”

Stuart Browning
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Maybe you meant “Ayn Rand”?
If so, I highly suggest her works to the assorted statists here who might learn that other people’s lives and property are not theirs to despose of.

Tom Leith
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Tom Leith

>> Coercion does not a society make.
> Coercion is what makes a society.
We have a fundamental disagreement. Love is what makes a society. Coercion is at best a substitute for love and rarely rises to even a tiny fraction of its potential as such.
> The trick is to use coercion fairly.
The greater trick is to know in the first place what this means.
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Kaleberg
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1) Before there were fire departments you had to have fire insurance if you wanted someone to fight your fires. Insured houses typically had a medallion indicating the company and level of coverage. As for forcing people to pay for fire services, I have no problem with coercion. Coercion is what makes a society. Without coercion there is no private property. Anyone can steal anything they want. Who is going to stop them without coercion? Whatever uses coercion to stop them, well, that’s the coercive government. The trick is to use coercion fairly. (I’d rather see the military privatized. Remember,… Read more »

Tom Leith
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Tom Leith

Lynn writes: > Better yet private subscriber fire departments. > They show up and fight fires at the homes/businesses > of folks who have paid for their fire fighting > services. This is the way rural volunteer fire departments have worked for decades, and in some places they still work this way. Where I grew up, when you paid your annual fire department membership dues you’d get a license-plate looking tag to nail on a fencepost by the road so the firefighters could see it if (God forbid!) their services might be wanted. If someone hadn’t paid, they might try… Read more »

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tcoyote

You’ve got it, Mathew. A crucial insight. A massive educational challenge awaits the next President, and that should be how we decide who it is. Who is the best teacher? The problem with healthcare is that the people who are least well served by our system have already dropped out politically. There aren’t a lot of votes or political campaign contributions to be had by meeting their needs. DId you know, for example, that 40% of people aged 18-26 are not even registered to vote? The Jeffersonian mistrust of government is rampant right now, and the younger you are, the… Read more »

Lynn
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Lynn

Better yet private subscriber fire departments. They show up and fight fires at the homes/businesses of folks who have paid for their fire fighting services. So the homeowner has to prove they have fire coverage before receiving a drop of water. Of course the private fire companies can just let the house burn if you’ve lost your proof of subscription. We all know private bureaucracies are so much more efficient and effective than gov’t one. Yep works for me, as the fires rage over the ridge. Imagine what homeowners insurance would cost. Excellent analogy. Matthew you are an “evil” genius… Read more »

Peter
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Peter

Getting the uninsured covered is going to be used as a facade by those (AMA) really opposed to any larger structural reform that will lower costs and improve care for the rest of the population. Supporters of universal single pay better be careful who they climb into the political bed with. The AMA can stand in front of the cameras with crocodile tears while hiding their real concern – income protection for their members. Getting the unisured off the debate table for providers will give us many more years of dealing with the major structural faults in the system discussed… Read more »