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POLICY: Kling’s Response to Holt, Havighurst, and Cohn

Arnold Kling’s response to Holt, Havighurst, and Cohn is up at Cato Unbound. You know that I and Jon Cohn are going to largely find fault with Arnold Kling, while Clark Havighurst is a fellow traveler who actually says very sensible (but probably unrealistic) things about the tax treatment of health benefits.

In his response Kling agrees with my premises but doesn’t agree with my conclusions. Fancy that!  Still go over there and read all the essays, because it’s good stuff!

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OK Stuart I’m back from the weekend. Let me guess that you don’t think humans are a signifigant contributor to global warming? That we shouldn’t act because we don’t have enough direct evidence yet? That Rush Limbaugh is right? That’s the impression I got from your answer about life expectancy and single pay. By the way, just ask my wife if I beat her, I’ll give you her email if you want. All I was saying was that complaints about single pay, that it degrades healthcare, do not seem to stand up to the facts, at least in Canada. So… Read more »

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Peter – you said: “As to data on life expectancy being due to single pay, well it doesn’t seem to be hurting. Do you have evidence that without single pay life expectancy would rise?” Well geesh, Peter, no I don’t have evidence that single-payer financing *doesn’t* lead to a rise in life expectancy. Neither do I have proof that you *don’t* beat your wife. Again and again the ridiculous assertions that higher life expectancies in various OECD countries are due to government-financing of health care are found on this blog’s comment section – and unfortunately – also on the pages… Read more »

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Stuart, I don’t have much time now to discuss fully on wait times but please look at this link. Hope it works.
http://secure.cihi.ca/cihiweb/dispPage.jsp?cw_page=media_07mar2006_e
As to data on life expectancy being due to single pay, well it doesn’t seem to be hurting. Do you have evidence that without single pay life expectancy would rise?

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Peter – two comments on your post. 1. Canadians certainly can choose their own doctor. However, I should point out that Canadians cannot see a specialist of any type (not even an OBGYN) without a referrel from a GP. This translates into long waiting lists to see a doctor when you are actually sick. Interestingly, I’m even hearing of waiting lists (kept by GPs) to get on specialist waiting list. So – the whole “choose your own doctor” line that we keep hearing from the single-pay folk is not meaningful. 2. Your statement that Canada’s longer life expectancy is due… Read more »

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I found Arnold Kling’s response interesting but self serving, and his reference to the “Two Strategies for Avoiding Truth” seemed to be an attempt to make himself the all seeing, all knowing, arbitrator of reason. Please Mr. Kling tell me the meaning of life. I agree that the general public follows a “low-investment strategy for avoiding the truth” in that they go by feel when voting. But as time passes they also see if their selective knowledge vote was correct. As is the case with the present voter disatisfaction with Iraq and the Bush Administration. Certainly a better informed and… Read more »