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POLICY/QUALITY: Pat Salber on childhood abuse and adult health

Pat Salber has a remarkable and very personal piece on the connection between childhood abuse and poor adult health . There seems to be a direct link and if there is, it certainly puts the “personal responsibility” crowd into a tight intellectual corner.

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Matthew Holt
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Matthew Holt

Well he’s ignored now. I banned Ron’s IP from posting comments yesterday. He has crossed over the line of civility once too often.

Tom Leith
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Tom Leith

Yes indeed Theora, people can be really stupid. Can you point out a policy I supported here? Duh. Rhetoric 101. Since you are apparently an ArtSci type, let’s see whether you passed Ethics 101. How exactly do you decide which actions are good? Then you can move into applications. Who should pay to transplant a third liver into a 70 year-old alcoholic? Or pay for yet another round of weight-loss counseling for someone who’s gained 50 kg since the last go `round a year ago? What is a “disease”? What is “health care”? If you think you can answer that… Read more »

marcus newberry
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Matthew,
I agree with Tom Leith’s comment. Dr. Salber’s post does not speak against personal responsibility.
Personal responsibility does works best when encouraged and supported. Personal responsibility and community commitment would be good health policy.

theorajones
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theorajones

Oy, people can be really stupid. “we can agree it may require more effort for some people versus others to do what they know they ought to do, it seems to…that difficulty does not relieve one of responsibility.” No one thinks it does. And I’d like to add that once you realize that it requires more effort from others than it does from you, you have a responsibility to show compassion. And it seems to me common sense that if showing compassion causes you difficulty, you are not relieved of that responsibility… Perhaps if you had a better understanding of… Read more »

Dario
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Dario

If Ron’s post wasn’t so hurtful and harmful, my gut reaction would be to laugh at the poor soul who “just doesn’t get it.” I am a close friend of Pat Salber and have tremendous respect and admiration for her dedication and passion to help improve health and quality of life. Up to 2001, I had been severely overweight all of my life. I lost 205 pounds in 13 months, hence I have a personal understanding of the difficulty we all face to lose weight and keeping the weight off. In my opinion, Ron’s most detrimental and inaccurate statement is… Read more »

Pat Salber
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Ron, thank you for the apology.
Re: workouts and goal for people significantly overweight. Everyone has to start somewhere, most start with walking. The key is to increase the effort and increase the amount of time spent every day. There are lots of folks participating in the PEERtrainer (www.peertrainer.com) who were much more than 40 lbs overweight who have successfully lost lots of weight…through diet and exercise and peer support and family support. This isn’t just about taking responsibility…it is hard work.

Ron Greiner
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OK Matthew, I forgot about the 10 line rule, sorry. I will do better.
I’m sorry Pat.
Stop these other people for being really mean too Matthew. Fair is fair.

Matthew Holt
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Matthew Holt

That’s it Ron, you are officially banned. Don’t come back here.

Ron Greiner
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Pat, ask Laura if she had a talk with the guy who ran the Richard Simmons Fat Farms? She says she is a good person for getting your stuff on ABC and USA Today. I asked her if there was anyplace on your website that explained what type of workouts that you recommend. She said to read your blogs, which I had already done. I can’t see anywhere what kind of workout you think is best for a woman 40lbs over-weight. Maybe you could give us an idea and what kind of results one could expect. Because Laura had no… Read more »

Matthew Holt
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Matthew Holt

Ron — 10 lines max AND an apology NOW, or you are banned for good. Matthew

Pat Salber
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The ad hominum attack was not what bothered me about Ron’s post. It betrays some deeper issues he probably should work on.
Rather it is the astonishing ignorance about the overweight/obesity coming from someone who used to work in the field. Ron, I was going to ask you if you left Richard Simmons voluntarily…seems like my intuition was correct.

Habib
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Ron- it is very interesting– You clearly see nothing wrong with your behavior. Luckily for you there are MD’s on this board and I bet they’d point you in the right direction to get some help. It can only help you.

Ron Greiner
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Habib, I tell women who are so over-weight that they have no feelings in their legs anymore, “This is a bad sign. You better try just a bit or you will soon be dead.” Also Habib, I went to the #1 University in America in wrestling, ISU, in Ames. So yes I did spend too much time losing weight. Also, I ran the #1 club in America for Bally in “Dollars over quota.” This isn’t because I can really sell fat women, but it does help. 20% of all new members were for rehab. After a car wreck or heart… Read more »

DrT
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Ron: “Fat cheeks?!?” Where are you coming from? I know Dr. Salber in real life and she is neither fat, chubby, or obese. Her excerise regime would serve us all well. But that is besides the point. Your obviously have a drum to beat and her article was mistaken by you as a launching pad. Your point about responsibilty is well taken. But it’s not the whole story. To paraphrase the addiction doctors speaking to their patients: “It’s not your fault that you have an addiction, but it is your responsibility to deal with it, now that you have it.”… Read more »

Brian Klepper
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Brian Klepper

Ron, It’s difficult to know how to respond to a lout like you. Its a shame that just because this forum exists, all its readers have to put up with the self-important nonsense you regularly spew forth (with grammar and spelling that nicely matches your reasoning). I’ll tell you this, Pal. Based on what we know from your offerings here, you couldn’t shine Dr. Salber’s shoes, much less walk in them. She is among the most thoughtful, most socially conscious, grounded and selfless individuals I’ve ever had the honor to know. She certainly doesn’t deserve the abuse of clowns like… Read more »