OP-ED

What Is It With Gun Rights Proponents?

Art Caplan 2Why are they so afraid of public health types who want to do something about the carnage caused by guns in America?

Vik Khanna is the latest man with a gun to write squealing in terror  before the kale crunching, fitbit wearing hordes of public health types who he is somehow sure are out to disarm him and, even more hilariously, have any chance of doing so.

Vik, buddy, no one and especially the roughly 28 folks in public health not completely distracted by their lack of funding and inability to secure tenure is capable of doing anything that will pry your gun from your warm-blooded grip. There is no political movement to take away anyone’s guns. The NRA is the mightiest lobbying outfit in these United States and the best Mike Bloomberg or Bill Gates are going to be able to do is to get the anti-gun lobby a few more op-eds and soundbites.

Vik stop being afraid of your critics. You hold all the bullets er … cards. Time to think harder. Do public health folks have anything to offer that might reduce the mayhem while letting you hunt deer or shoot partridge or blast targets or whatever it is you and your son like to do with your guns?

Well yes in fact there are some things from the minds of the unarmed weenies of public health worth your consideration and that of your open-carry pals.

How about encouraging doctors, ministers, sporting goods salespeople and other community leaders to learn about and then talk about gun safety? How about greater efforts to get gun owners to lock up their guns and ammo properly. How’s about getting hunters to wear the right high-visibility gear. Is there any merit to making guns safer including ‘smart’ guns? Can we teach people to call the cops when they know there is a gun in the house of someone who is mentally ill or under a restraining order? A little training for kids about what to do if they find a gun?

I could go on but I have to walk out to my Prius so I can go to the store and buy some gluten-free pasta to feed a few of my public health pals before we do our evening Bikram yoga. I won’t be seeing you at the shooting-range. There are too many kids gripping Uzis there for my comfort. Oops Sorry. Didn’t mean to make you think I was gonna try and restrict any 9-year-olds right to fire automatic weapons.

Art Caplan heads the Bioethics program at the University of Pennsylvania. He is a contributor for THCB and NBC News.  

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  1. Another sign of your mental illness:

    “Even after many of the firearm victimization reports were excluded, the data show that more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun for self-protection. Most judges rated the reported self-defense gun uses as probably illegal in most cases, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun and that the respondent had described the event honestly.

    Guns are used to threaten and intimidate more often than they are used in self-defense. Most self-reported self-defense gun uses may be illegal and against the interests of society.”

  2. “But hey, a few unenlightened doctors refuse to accept all that US GOVERNMENT DATA showing how law abiding civilians armed self defense since 1960 has prevented over 1.131 mil murders, prevented over 6.5 mil injuries, and prevented over $2.17 trillion in medical expenses…welcome to reality!”

    Yes, the reality of your mental illness!

    “Results – Even after excluding many reported firearm victimizations, far more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun to protect themselves. A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly. Conclusions – Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense. Most self reported self defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society.”

  3. Wow! You poor gunterds. This is what you get when you outdated data! Too funny! You’re doing an excellent job discrediting yourself. What a poser!

    “Dang that nasty government data proving anti gunterds pathological liars all day long!


    For those who don’t click the link:

    A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:


Firearm Use by Offenders,Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001

    http : // bjs . ojp . usdoj . gov / index . cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=940
    
• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member
    

• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source
    

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show
 

    • 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market


    • 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop


    • 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets



    78.8% criminals purchased their guns from unlicensed sources, and BS law that only punish the law abiding will do what to change this, ROTFLMFAO!



    We see how the USDOJ survey in 1997 where felons identified purchasing their weapons from SUMMARIZED ROUNDED TOTALS
    80% street buys/theft/family
straw buys, 12% retail stores, 2% gun shows.
    

Then that 68% reduction of attempted buys from licensed sources puts the street buys/theft at 95.52%:
    1-(12% x .68%) = 3.64% retail stores, 1-(2% x .68%) = .64% gun shows in today’s numbers (100% – 4.48%) = 95.52%. 


    USDOJ Background Check & Firearm transfer report 2008

    http : // bjs . ojp . usdoj . gov / content / pub / html / bcft / 2008 / bcft08st . pdf
    Isnt it amazing how 95.52% of bad guys (21 million plus, since 1997) dont even attempt to buy from a licensed source to begin with and more laws will do what to change that, oh nothing as normal!”

  4. Too funny! Grade 3 level mathematics with erroneous data! No wonder you got **sked handed back to you on a platter at KBTX!

    “September 18, 2014 at 9:30 am
    w w w.cnn. co m/2013/04/10 /living/guns-parenting/ index.html?hpt=hp_t1
    Lets use government data and compare someone supposedly safe, a doctor, to the chance of your children being killed by an accidental firearm discharge and again, we won’t use one single NRA generated data source.

    CDC Death Data 1930′s, over 3,000+ accidental deaths by firearm discharge


    CDC Death & Data 2010 835 deaths by accidental firearm discharge, right at 107 age 0-17 yrs old.

    w w w.cd c. gov/nchs/ data/dvs/ deaths_2010_release.pdf


    US Census 1930′s 112.8 mil

    US Census 2010 312 mil


    BATF 1930 TO 2009 150 Million more firearms in civilian hands

jama.ama-assn. org/cgi/content/full/286/4/415 

700,000 doctors in US kill 98,000 to 195,000 by medical malpractice every year or .135 to.278 per physician. 


    www. medicalnews today. com/releases/254341.php


    Since kids = riughly 1/3 of population, will adjust deaths to reflect = 13,200 to 65,000 deaths. (0188 to .0926)

107 / 100,000,000 = .0000011 deaths per 100 mil gun owners.
    Physician is .045 or .0927 /.00000011 = 44,909 to 84,272 times more likely to harm your child than they being accidently harmed by a lawfully owned firearm and that is only in homes with a firearm, ah wow, thats soooooooo scarey, well, to an idiot maybe its scarey!
    So where is the risk from law abiding gun owners and why aren’t you antis crying to ban doctors?
    Actually anyone taking their child to a doctor for a non illness reason should have Child Protective Services called on them for risking their child’s lives so frivolously.”

  5. Too funny! Grade 3 level mathematics with erroneous data! No wonder you got **sked handed back to you on a platter at KBTX!

    “September 18, 2014 at 9:30 am
    http://www.cnn. com/2013/04/10/living/guns-parenting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
    Lets use government data and compare someone supposedly safe, a doctor, to the chance of your children being killed by an accidental firearm discharge and again, we won’t use one single NRA generated data source.

    CDC Death Data 1930′s, over 3,000+ accidental deaths by firearm discharge


    CDC Death & Data 2010 835 deaths by accidental firearm discharge, right at 107 age 0-17 yrs old.

    http://www.cdc. gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf


    US Census 1930′s 112.8 mil

    US Census 2010 312 mil


    BATF 1930 TO 2009 150 Million more firearms in civilian hands

jama.ama-assn. org/cgi/content/full/286/4/415 

700,000 doctors in US kill 98,000 to 195,000 by medical malpractice every year or .135 to.278 per physician. 


    www. medicalnewstoday. com/releases/254341.php


    Since kids = riughly 1/3 of population, will adjust deaths to reflect = 13,200 to 65,000 deaths. (0188 to .0926)

107 / 100,000,000 = .0000011 deaths per 100 mil gun owners.
    Physician is .045 or .0927 /.00000011 = 44,909 to 84,272 times more likely to harm your child than they being accidently harmed by a lawfully owned firearm and that is only in homes with a firearm, ah wow, thats soooooooo scarey, well, to an idiot maybe its scarey!
    So where is the risk from law abiding gun owners and why aren’t you antis crying to ban doctors?
    Actually anyone taking their child to a doctor for a non illness reason should have Child Protective Services called on them for risking their child’s lives so frivolously.”

  6. “So you know your playbook by heart, saul would be so proud of you komrade!”

    Yes, so says the closeted socialist! Go back to your cave!

  7. Thanks for supporting your need to seek mental help! LOL!!!!

    “It has been found that a new virus, for lack of a better name, a progressivus idiotus virus!
    http : // www . independent . co . uk/news/science/virus-that-makes-humans-more-stupid-discovered-9849920 . html
    Found to be prevalent in high humidity areas and demokrats are predominantly the highest populations subset in coastal cities……goes without saying.
    To date the only known cure for this insidious virus is offing onesself, better get at that anti gun nuts!
    wfeather1940 says:
    December 10, 2014 at 8:13 am
    But one only has to review the Saul Alinsky rules for radicals and the pattern of the anti gun extremists comments, repeated lies, rants and ravings becomes very clear!
    RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
    RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
    RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
    RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
    RULE 10: “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
    RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
    RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
    RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”

  8. But one only has to review the Saul Alinsky rules for radicals and the pattern of the anti gun extremists comments, repeated lies, rants and ravings becomes very clear!
    RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
    RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
    RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
    RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
    RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
    RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
    RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
    RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
    RULE 10: “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
    RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
    RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
    RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

  9. It has been found that a new virus, for lack of a better name, a progressivus idiotus virus!

    http : // www . independent . co . uk/news/science/virus-that-makes-humans-more-stupid-discovered-9849920 . html

    Found to be prevalent in high humidity areas and demokrats are predominantly the highest populations subset in coastal cities……goes without saying.

    To date the only known cure for this insidious virus is offing onesself, better get at that anti gun nuts!

  10. http : // news . yahoo . com/huge-study-5-mental-disorders-share-genetic-links-233340007 . html

    Google yahoo –huge study 5 mental disorders share genetic links

    The largest genetic study of mental illnesses to date finds five major disorders may not look much alike but they share some gene-based risks. The surprising discovery comes in the quest to unravel what causes psychiatric disorders and how to better diagnose and treat them.

    The disorders — autism, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder or ADHD, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder and schizophrenia — are considered distinct problems. But findings published online Wednesday suggest they’re related in some way.
    “These disorders that we thought of as quite different may not have such sharp boundaries,” said Dr. Jordan Smoller of Massachusetts General Hospital, one of the lead researchers for the international study appearing in The Lancet.

    That has implications for learning how to diagnose mental illnesses with the same precision that physical illnesses are diagnosed, said Dr. Bruce Cuthbert of the National Institute on Mental Health, which funded the research.

    Since antis are inherent schizophrenics, believing they hear voices and must obey, then it is they who by the doctors data are inherently genetic defectives.

    Wonder if they wont link more mental illnesses to these anti gunnuts defective genes in the future, we don’t wonder.

  11. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130811005342.htm

    LIBERALISM A MENTAL ILLNESS 

Dr. Rossiter describes liberals as having “strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded.

    ”

He compares liberals to “spoiled, angry children,” who are rebelling against “the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.

    ”

An excerpt from his book

”As is the case in all personality disturbance, defects of this type represent serious failures in development processes.

    The nature of these failures is detailed below.

    Among their consequences are the liberal mind’s relentless efforts to misrepresent human nature and to deny certain indispensable requirements for human relating. In his efforts to construct a grand collectivist utopia—to live what Jacques Barzun has called “the unconditioned life” in which “everybody should be safe and at ease in a hundred ways”—the radical liberal attempts to actualize in the real world an idealized fiction that will mitigate all hardship and heal all wounds. (Barzun 2000).

    He acts out this fiction, essentially a Marxist morality play, in various theaters of human relatedness, most often on the world’s economic, social and political stages.

    But the play repeatedly folds. Over the course of the Twentieth Century, the radical liberal’s attempts to create a brave new socialist world have invariably failed.

    At the dawn of the Twenty-first Century his attempts continue to fail in the stagnant economies, moral decay and social turmoil now widespread in Europe.

    An increasingly bankrupt welfare society is putting the U.S. on track for the same fate if liberalism is not cured there.

    Because the liberal agenda’s principles violate the rules of ordered liberty, his most determined efforts to realize its visionary fantasies must inevitably fall short.

    Yet, despite all the evidence against it, the modern liberal mind believes his agenda is good social science. It is, in fact, bad science fiction. He persists in this agenda despite its madness.”

  12. Past experience with gun control leaders such as

    Annette “Flirty” Stevens (Illinois Million Mom March president caught with drugs and a de-serialized handgun),

    Sheila Eccleston (Mothers Against Violence, imprisoned for possessing a sawed-off shotgun),

    James Kelly (Seattle Urban League anti-gunner caught brandishing a handgun during an argument),

    Bart Stupak (champion of mandatory federal trigger locks whose son later committed suicide with dad’s unlocked gun),

    Robyn Anderson straw purchaser and a gun and ammo supplier for the Columbine killers testified that UBC wouldn’t stop criminals, just law abiding gun owners,

    “Long Island Lolita” Amy Fisher,

    Hector “Big Weasel” Marroquin, 51 — who founded the one-time city-funded group “No Guns” in 1996, purportedly to work against gang and gun violence in the inner city — is charged with the sale of an assault rifle, a machine gun, two pistols and two silencers…It is his second weapons-related arrest in as many years,

    Joseph Mammana, felon-turned-philanthropist who faces prison time on a federal gun charge…He had sponsored a gun buyback program…

    CeaseFire Illinois Director Tio Hardman, who was charged with domestic violence,

    “CeaseFire worker Sylvester Hudson, who was charged last year with selling heroin to a federal informant outside CeaseFire’s headquarters at UIC.

    Duane Ferguson, SAFE ACT supporter and president of MAD DADS in NY takes gun into school and lies to police,.and

    Barbara Graham (DC Million Mom March activist convicted of a revenge shooting of an innocent person who HADN’T killed her son) suggests that frustrated gun control activists tend to go out with a bang rather than a whimper.

    Illinois star-Gun-Banner Keith Farnham. He got bust for pedophilia & child-porn, while the media quickly swept this under the rug. Makes sense that a child-rapist wouldn’t want armed angry parents putting a bullet in his child-raping face

    Demokrat anti gunnutter politician leeland yee being caught running guns to chinese gangs….

    The moral is, if you ever happen to come across Dennis Henigan, and QB’s of this world take cover. You don’t want to be at Ground Zero when they go postal and its not a matter of if, its a matter of when!”

  13. “Squeal, squeal squeal says the anti gunnut, such a violent sociopath when it doesnt get its way or its poopy diaper changed, whichever comes first!”

    Pathetic!!! ROFL!!!

    Here’s more help:

    http://www. mentalhelp. net/

  14. Squeal, squeal squeal says the anti gunnut, such a violent sociopath when it doesnt get its way or its poopy diaper changed, whichever comes first!!

  15. “Yawn, the clinically insane do have a hard time absorbing all those government facts proving it a liar, so all it can do is sqeal and cry like a 3 yr old with a poopy diaper.
    It is all the intellectual bereft can do when they have had their butt handed to them on a platter!
    See koonmunists are the only ones deleting facts or censoring facts they cant prove wrong, just look at QB for proof!”

    That’s it?

    Here’s some help:

    http:// www. kidslearningstation .com/ preschool/ alphabet-worksheets.asp

  16. Yawn, the clinically insane do have a hard time absorbing all those government facts proving it a liar, so all it can do is sqeal and cry like a 3 yr old with a poopy diaper.

    It is all the intellectual bereft can do when they have had their butt handed to them on a platter!

    See koonmunists are the only ones deleting facts or censoring facts they cant prove wrong, just look at QB for proof!

  17. “Squeal, stomp, spew and spittle as the 3yr old anti gun advocate in the epitome of ignorance tries to troll, yet it is demonstrating that which we already know, it has no substance, but what does one expect from a proven liar, nothing really!
    But when we go back to the blog, we will still see the three chimps hands over mouth, ear and eyes, as if doing so makes their lies true, it never will!”

    Hey sweety,

    This is what people say when they have their a** handed back on a platter! LOL!!

    It takes a 3-yr old to understand one! Keep it up!

  18. Squeal, stomp, spew and spittle as the 3yr old anti gun advocate in the epitome of ignorance tries to troll, yet it is demonstrating that which we already know, it has no substance, but what does one expect from a proven liar, nothing really!

    But when we go back to the blog, we will still see the three chimps hands over mouth, ear and eyes, as if doing so makes their lies true, it never will!

  19. “Still nothing from the 3yr old squealer we see!”

    ROFL!!!

    You’re doing an excellent job yourself! This is what happens when you keep copying stuff you don’t understand!!

    Are you gonna finally step up to the plate? I still cannot stop laughing at the epitome of ignorance you keep displaying. No wonder Roy_G and others owned your a** at KBTX!

  20. Man the devil really scraped the bottom of the stupid barrel to find you!

    Still nothing from the 3yr old squealer we see!

  21. This is the level of discourse this thread has degenerated into? Really? How about we class it up, drop the ad hominem and stick to FACTS? (In other words, bring some or shut the hell up and stop clogging our email boxes with kindergarten rhetoric.)

  22. “http : // www . bjs . gov/index . cfm?ty=tp&tid=11
    Was looking at the Bureau of Justic website to find out how many guns have been caught and convicted of killing people in our prison population demographics…..uh why arent there any guns in jail anti gun nutters?
    Thought you 3 yr old idiots claim guns are alive and responsible for all this violence?”

    ROFL!!! This is the best you can do? You’re pathetic!

  23. http : // www . bjs . gov/index . cfm?ty=tp&tid=11

    Was looking at the Bureau of Justic website to find out how many guns have been caught and convicted of killing people in our prison population demographics…..uh why arent there any guns in jail anti gun nutters?

    Thought you 3 yr old idiots claim guns are alive and responsible for all this violence?

  24. “Hey anti gun communist poser!
    After all this time, you cannot provide anything substantial!
    When I said you had a 3 yr olds level intellectual ability, no kidding!
    Come on, we’re just starting here!
    Are you that lazy, or that stupid, you choose which, LOL!!”

    You need to stop projecting your own ignorance and get to work!

    Is this the best you can do?

  25. Hey anti gun communist poser!

    After all this time, you cannot provide anything substantial!

    When I said you had a 3 yr olds level intellectual ability, no kidding!

    Come on, we’re just starting here!

    Are you that lazy, or that stupid, you choose which, LOL!!

  26. “Still waiting for just one of you demokrat anti gun advocates to provide any government data proving your irrational fears of the law abiding gun owners carrying concealed, why arent you smart enough to ever provide that government data sweety, cat got your tongue?”

    ROFL!!!

    Hey poser! After all this time, you cannot provide anything substantial! When I said you had a third grader level intellectual ability, no kidding!

    Come on, we’re just starting here! Are you that lazy? LOL!!

  27. Then not one single anonymous poll in favor of gun control can ever be taken seriously, glad we agree on something!

  28. Still waiting for just one of you demokrat anti gun advocates to provide any government data proving your irrational fears of the law abiding gun owners carrying concealed, why arent you smart enough to ever provide that government data sweety, cat got your tongue?

  29. Yeah, we see how violent and intolerant, hate filled demokrats and by association anit gun advocates like you are, so there is no logical reason in the world to trust you to be ANYTHING different, so we are armed against the inevitable violence commited by the violent immoral creatures you are!

    Especially as the cops have no legal liability to protect us!

    http : // www . tpnn . com/2014/05/07/professor-allegedly-threatens-to-murder-students-who-are-teabaggers-that-support-sen-ted-cruz/

  30. Switching subjects, no, I am the only one posting links to actual incidents and government facts, studies and laws proving your position a patholgical lie you can never prove wrong.

    But using your illogic, I am demonstrating why the second amendment exists, because if we cant trust one anit gun advocate/demokrat not to be violent, we cant trust any of you!

    http : // news . yahoo . com/police-2-anti-violence-organizers-beat-ex-roomie-134356330 . html

  31. Yeah, since one of your bretheren is like this, we should indeed be afraid of how psyhotic and 7 times inherently more violent all anti gun advocates and demokrats truly are!

    “I hate all of you. If I had it in my power, I would stop at nothing to reduce every single one of you to mountains of skulls and rivers of blood” Elliot Rodger, 22, Santa Barbara CA

    Kills 3 people with a knife
    Kills 3 people with a gun
    Injures 5 with his car
    Injuries 8 with a gun
    Over indulged child of Hollywood progressives
    Drives a BMW
    Deeply immersed in violent video games
    Alegges a deprived, hellish & sad life
    Blames all women
    Seen by multiple therapists
    Posts video’s about murder & suicide weeks prior to attacks
    Alarmed family call police: police visit him once but do nothing: write him off as perfectly polite, charming & wonderful human

    His reason given for mass murder: he couldn’t get laid

    Progressives conclusion: It’s the NRA’s fault, ROTFLMFAO!

  32. The CNN reporter for the Ferguson MO incident that provided the Police Officer’s Name and Address on national TV to bully and intimidate has had the same done to him (her also) and can be contacted at:

    Ed Lavandera
    
6543 Bob O Link Dr.
Dallas TX. 75214

    Reporter Lavandera’s address is being spread by conservative bloggers and commenters.

    214-370-0208
    214-415-6024

    214-948-2986

    972-596-1294

    214-328-5247

    http : // www . dallascad . org/SPLITPDF/000003411460000000 . PDF

    After all, what does the reporter have to hide….only a matter of time till we do the same to all anti gun advocates, after all, what do they have to hide….unless their criminals or hypocrites!

  33. Too funny! Now, switching subjects? Is that a characteristic of closeted socialist?

    You can come out now.

    ROFL!!!

  34. It is only a matter of time till the immoral anti gun advocates begin advocating for the legalization of incest and pedophilia like in Australia where they are looking to decriminalize incest!

    http : // article . wn . com/view/2014/07/11/Australia_judge_probed_for_saying_incest_may_be_accepted/

    Hazzard said he had referred Neilson to the Judicial Commission of New South Wales, which investigates complaints. He also requested the District Court suspend the judge from criminal trials until the probe was completed.

    In his case comments, Neilson reportedly added that the “only reason” incest remained a crime was due to the risk of genetic abnormalities in children born through such a relationship.

    “But even that falls away to an extent (because) there is such ease of contraception and ready access to abortion,” he said.

    That is what you typically get with lefties/anti gun advocates, the same all over the world they being such immoral, blood thirsty perverts!

  35. Bet this was you who wished this, typikal anti gun advocate!

    Either way, since one of you anti gun advocates did it, all anti gun advocates are guilty, sounds reasonable!

    http : // www . examiner . com/article/va-dem-asks-god-to-murder-everyone-nra-with-deadly-ebola-virus

  36. “Come on! You have nothing and don’t understand anything!
    And you’re supposed to be the best ?
    Pathetic indeed!
    Still ROFL!!!!”

    LOL!!! Now, it shows. Are you closeted socialist? Can’t think for yourself that you need to copy others? No wonder you’re copying stuff you don’t even understand!

    Go play in a sand box, sweety!

    Pathetic poser!

  37. Come on! You have nothing and don’t understand anything!

    And you’re supposed to be the best ?

    Pathetic indeed!

    Still ROFL!!!!

  38. “Funny, dont see one government link or data set from you proving you arent lying, arent you smart enough to do so, apparently not, try again widdle girl!”

    Come on! You have nothing and don’t understand anything! And you’re supposed to be the best ?

    Pathetic indeed!

    Still ROFL!!!!

  39. Isnt it amazing, how in the 8 decades of the 1934 NFA, that the only two incidents of violent crimes committed by registered class 3 weapons, was by cops!

    Ban the cops!

    But when we review the actual FBI Trace data, we see how 300+ traces a year, are for NON REGISTERED class 3 devices…….oh wait, thought you claimed bad guys didnt have access to class 3 devices, how is that eh?

    https : // www . atf . gov / sites / default / files / assets / statistics / tracedata-2012/2012-trace-data-florida . pdf

    There were over 52 class 3 devices traced in Florida in 2012, please demonstrate where you have valid data proving these were all registered class 3 devices!

    Oh wait, even better, lets try it this way!

    The following states allow private ownership of machine guns if registered with ATF: AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MA, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI, WY.

    https : // www . atf . gov / sites / default / files / assets / statistics / tracedata-2012 / 2012-trace-data-new-york . pdf

    NY doesnt allow machine guns, yet there were 20 traced in 2012…hmmmmm…those werent registered LOL!

    https : // www . atf . gov / sites / default / files / assets / statistics / tracedata-2012/2012-trace-data-california . pdf

    Kalifornika doesnt allow private ownership of machine guns, yet 52 machineguns and 6 suppresors were traced…hmmmm!

    https : // www . atf . gov / sites / default / files / assets / statistics / tracedata-2012 / 2012-trace-data-illinois . pdf

    Illinois, they dont allow anything…yet there were 22 machineguns traced in 2012…hmmmmm!

    https : // www . atf . gov / sites / default / files / assets / statistics / tracedata-2012/2012-trace-data-new-jersey . pdf

    New Jersey, 4 machine guns traced…oh yeah they dont allow civilians to own those either there!

    https : // www . atf . gov / sites / default / files / assets / statistics / tracedata-2012 / 2012-trace-data-washington . pdf

    Washington, they dont allow class 3 either, yet 7 machine guns were traced…hmmm!

    https : // www . atf . gov / sites / default / files / assets / statistics / tracedata-2012 / 2012-trace-data-virginia . pdf

    Virginia, doesnt allow em either, yet there were 22 machineguns and 3 suppressors

    We have gotten to half the states that dont allow class 3 and we are over 136 traces of UNREGISTERED CLASS 3 devices.

    Thats not including all those states that do allow them!

    Man that there registration really kept those class 3 devices out of the criminals hands eh NOT!

  40. Funny, dont see one government link or data set from you proving you arent lying, arent you smart enough to do so, apparently not, try again widdle girl!

  41. “Got thousands of pages of government data, facts, studies and laws proving your position a lie, thirsty for more sweety, or you just going to continue like a spoiled petulent brat squealing DAT NOT TRUE WAAAAHHH NO FWAIR USING FWACTS I CANT PWOVE WONG WAAAAAHHH!”

    ROFL!!! Wow! You can’t even write! You don’t even understand what you’re copying!

    Please continue!

    wfeather1940, you’re just a pathetic poser!

  42. Got thousands of pages of government data, facts, studies and laws proving your position a lie, thirsty for more sweety, or you just going to continue like a spoiled petulent brat squealing DAT NOT TRUE WAAAAHHH NO FWAIR USING FWACTS I CANT PWOVE WONG WAAAAAHHH!

  43. It is obvious you need help to get past the 3yr old hand holding you obviously need to post government facts, which you never do, that would require more than you are capable of!

    http : // www . ksat . com/content/pns/ksat/news/2014/09/11/woman-shoots-alleged-attacker . html
    http : // www . kansas . com/news/local/crime/article2032390 . html
    http : // www . omaha . com/news/metro/police-man-shot-critically-wounded-trying-to-break-into-northwest/article_f2cff22c-3765-11e4-b29e-0017a43b2370 . html
    http : // www . wkrn . com/story/26463070/grandfather-pulls-pistol-on-man-breaking-into-his-home
    http : // www . wowt . com/home/headlines/Would-273544871 . html
    http : // www . wowt . com/home/headlines/Would-273544871 . html
    http : // www . nwherald . com/2014/09/02/2-teens-charged-in-crystal-lake-break-in-that-resulted-in-shooting/azbwmza/
    http : // fox6now . com/2014/09/01/man-shot-killed-on-milwaukees-south-side/
    http : // wivb . com/2014/09/01/homeowner-son-hold-two-would-be-burglars-at-gunpoint/
    http : // www . 10tv . com/content/stories/2014/08/29/lancaster-ohio-lancaster-woman-scares-off-bat-wielding-attackers-by-pulling-gun-on-them . html

  44. Thought you claimed armed self defense didnt work….hmmmm…where are all those collateral what if shootings you inferred occurred, here are the examples for you to work off, did the reasearch for you, hold your hand and lead you to it as thats all you can do!

    http : // www . click2houston . com/news/meat-store-manager-shoots-attempted-robber/28170970
    http : // www . dailyherald . com/article/20140919/news/140917900/
    http : // www . nbc12 . com/story/26566220/victim-turns-the-tables-on-would-be-craigslist-robbers
    http : // www . kens5 . com/story/news/local/2014/09/18/trucker-kills-man-attempting-to-rob-his-trailer-police-say/15820991/
    http : // www . wral . com/suspect-killed-during-robbery-at-oxford-convenience-store/13989996/
    http : // losangeles . cbslocal . com/2014/09/16/van-nuys-homeowner-shoots-alleged-intruder/
    http : // www . dispatch . com/content/stories/local/2014/09/15/prairie-township-fatal-shooting . html
    http : // www . wkrn . com/story/26525139/homeowner-shoots-man-after-assault-at-his-home
    http : // www . chron . com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Store-owner-kills-would-be-robber-in-SE-Houston-5754139 . php#photo-6861696
    http : // www . wjhl . com/story/26508779/man-tries-to-rob-springfield-conveinence-store

  45. Yeah, since we know anti gun advocates are inherent pathological liars and not GOD, you are going to have to do more than WAAAAHHH DATS NOT TWUE, so when will you act like an adult and do so for the first time in your life sweety?
    In fact, just looking at one website that collates these non NRA media and police incident reports since Feb 2012 to Oct 1 2014, we see just a small sample of how many self defense incidents occurred in each state…
    WY 4
WV 4
WI 7
WA 25
VT 2
VA 13
UT 9
TX 123
TN 28
SD 1
SC 23
PA 44
OR 14
OK 21
OH 41
NY 9
NV 5
NM 8
NJ 3 
NH 3
NE 7
ND 2
NC 35
MT 4
MS 7
MO 36
MN 9
MI 38
ME 2
MD 5
MA 5
LA 18
KY 17
KS 8
IN 28
IL 14
ID 5
IA 4
GA 49
FL 77
DE 2
CT 3
CO 12
CA 43
AZ 12
AR 8
AL 22
AK 3
    So sad how in the communist states how as a rule so few armed self defense incidents occur, further proof your disarmament of the victims is resulting in more innocents being killed by criminal demokrats!
    But California is unique, 43 times in 2 years law abiding citizens didnt have 15-20 minutes time to wait for the police to come and defend them…hmmmm…must be indicative of how many violent undocumented demokrats (latinos) are in the state!
    Just the tip of the iceberg is showing on how many lawful and justifiable successful armed self defense incidents occuring….sucks to be you!
    http : //www . khou . com/story/news/crime/2014/10/03/hockley-homeowner-opens-fire-on-home-invaders/16635561/
    http : // www . limaohio . com/news/home_top-news/50419085/Lima-police-investigate-homicide
    http : // pittsburgh . cbslocal . com/2014/09/28/police-womans-estranged-husband-killed-by-her-boyfriend-during-break-in/
    http : // www . fox5vegas . com/story/26635005/man-shot
    http : // www . turlockjournal . com/section/15/article/27531/
    http : // www . news9 . com/story/26630486/one-stabbed-to-death-suspect-shot-at-moore-food-distribution-center
    http : // www . clickorlando . com/news/orange-city-woman-holds-robber-at-gunpoint/28253074
    http : // newsok . com/woman-stabbed-man-shot-in-southeast-oklahoma-city-early-wednesday/article/5345087
    http : // www . kentucky . com/2014/09/23/3444025_winchester-store-owner-shoots . html?rh=1
    http : // www . newsnet5 . com/homepage-showcase/police-multiple-people-shot-at-gas-station-in-canton

  46. “Isnt it amazing how even the CDC put out a study proving how many self defense incidents occur eh!
    http : //www . researchgate . net/pu . . .
    Estimating intruder-related firearm retrievals in U.S. households, 1994.”

    That’s it? LOL! You need to understand the research, sweety! How pathetic?

    Come on! Graduate to a 3-year old level!

  47. Oh you want data, hey lets review the following.

    http : // www . fbi . gov/ucr/ucr . htm

    FBI UCR Database

    You know, the government database showing in 2008 that 1.38 mil violent crimes were reported and that of those 381,000 involved a firearm, 15% of the incidents were shots fired.

    Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001

    Hmmmm, where were all the police to protect these victims eh?

    http : // www . data . gov/details/1526 USDOJ National Victimization Report 2008

    You know, the government agency sub annual report showing in 2008 alone that 70% of all violent crimes committed each year were not reported.

    Funny how we see Canada & England perform this same study and get the same results, go figure eh!

    Oh wait, what’s this, annual firearm discharge reports that show the police only hit their targets 15% of the time, such a common trend.

    http : // www . virginiacops . org/Articles/Sho . . .
    http : // www . theppsc . org/Staff_Views/Aveni . . .
    http : // www . nyc . gov/html/nypd/downloads/p . . .
    http : // www . nyclu . org/files/nypd_firearms . . .

    Uh just an fyi there were approximately 12,252 murders and 70,000 injuries by firearms in 2008.

    So using the standard shooting percentages, and hit % provided by all that government data these antis cant refute, lets calculate and see how many people self defense has saved the US per year, and we will only concentrate on the law abiding to start with.

    Even though the anti’s wont admit that even felons, who are citizens, have the right to defend themselves.

    Self Defense saves lives

    FBI UCR 2010

    278 documented justifiable homicides and since there are oh 2.5 people per household per US Census, almost 6 injuries per death we will calculate from that point.

    278 incidents + (6 x 278 = injured) = 15% of shots hit target /15 = 1% x 100 = # of shots fired = 12,973 incidents shots fired by law abiding citizens.

    12,973/15 = 1% x 100 = total number of self defense incidents just of people not involved in a criminal activity =86,488 incidents.

    Since 70% of all violent crimes are not reported, do you have any data that self defenses aren’t reported at the same rate, no you don’t, so……

    86,488 / 30 = 1% X 100 = 288,293 total incidents of self-defense in 2010

    288,293 x 2.5 people per household = 720,723 people defended or defending themselves.

    Now we know that of 381,000 violent crimes in 2008, there were
    12,252 murders, and 70,000 injuries, and assuming the same rate of injuries = 3.2% deaths 18.4% injuries.

    12,252/381,000 = 3.2% and 70,000/381,000 = 18.4%

    288,293 x .032 = # of deaths saved 9,225
    288,293 x .184 = # of injuries prevented 53,045

    So sad we can using this government data show law abiding civilians prevented since 1960 over 1.131 mil murders and prevented over 6.5 mil injuries.

    If it saves just one life, it is justified.

  48. Of course roy g, you are just going to squeal & stomp your feet and refuse to prove any of this goverment data wrong as all typikal anti gun nuts always do.

  49. Isnt it amazing how even the CDC put out a study proving how many self defense incidents occur eh!

    http : //www . researchgate . net/pu . . .

    Estimating intruder-related firearm retrievals in U.S. households, 1994.

    R M Ikeda, L L Dahlberg, J J Sacks, J A Mercy, K E Powell

    National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA, USA.

    Violence and Victims (Impact Factor: 1.28). 02/1997; 12(4):363-72.
    Source: PubMed

    ABSTRACT To estimate the frequency of firearm retrieval because of a known or presumed intruder, the authors analyzed data from a 1994 national random digit dialing telephone survey (n = 5,238 interviews).

    Three mutually exclusive definitions of firearm retrieval were constructed:

    (1) retrieved a firearm because there might be an intruder,
    
(2) retrieved a firearm and saw an intruder, and
    
(3) retrieved a firearm, saw an intruder, and believed the intruder was frightened away by the gun.

    Of 1,678 (34%) households with firearms: 105 (6%) retrieved a firearm in the previous 12 months because of an intruder.

    National projections based on these self-reports reveal an estimated 1,896,842 (95% CI [confidence interval] =

    (1) 1,480,647-2,313,035 incidents in which a firearm was retrieved, but no intruder was seen;
    (2) 503,481 (95% CI = 305,093-701,870) incidents occurred in which an intruder was seen, and
    (3) 497,646 (95% CI = 266,060-729,231) incidents occurred in which the intruder was seen and reportedly scared away by the firearm.

    WOW, 497,646 incidents where the bad guys was seen and scared away by the law abiding armed citizen, typical result!

    WOW it has been 20 years and to date, not one single anti gunnutter has ever proven the data source and variables wrong….

    WOW it has been 20 years and to date, not one single anti gunnutters has proven the methodology wrong!

    WOW it has been 20 years to date, not one single anti gunnutter jhas proven this has changed….go figure!

    WOW it has been 20 years to date, not one single anti gunnutter has ever proven attacks only occur at home…go figure!

    Of course your welcome to disprove all the factors and variables identified in the US GOVERNMENT DATA that those results are based upon, let us know when you have the balls to try sweety!

  50. Oh you want data, hey lets review the following.

    http://www . fbi . gov/ucr/ucr . htm

    FBI UCR Database

    You know, the government database showing in 2008 that 1.38 mil violent crimes were reported and that of those 381,000 involved a firearm, 15% of the incidents were shots fired.

    Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001

    Hmmmm, where were all the police to protect these victims eh?

    http://www . data . gov/details/1526 USDOJ National Victimization Report 2008

    You know, the government agency sub annual report showing in 2008 alone that 70% of all violent crimes committed each year were not reported.

    Funny how we see Canada & England perform this same study and get the same results, go figure eh!

    Oh wait, what’s this, annual firearm discharge reports that show the police only hit their targets 15% of the time, such a common trend.

    http://www . virginiacops . org/Articles/Sho . . .
    http://www . theppsc . org/Staff_Views/Aveni . . .
    http://www . nyc . gov/html/nypd/downloads/p . . .
    http://www . nyclu . org/files/nypd_firearms . . .

    Uh just an fyi there were approximately 12,252 murders and 70,000 injuries by firearms in 2008.

    So using the standard shooting percentages, and hit % provided by all that government data these antis cant refute, lets calculate and see how many people self defense has saved the US per year, and we will only concentrate on the law abiding to start with.

    Even though the anti’s wont admit that even felons, who are citizens, have the right to defend themselves.

    Self Defense saves lives

    FBI UCR 2010

    278 documented justifiable homicides and since there are oh 2.5 people per household per US Census, almost 6 injuries per death we will calculate from that point.

    278 incidents + (6 x 278 = injured) = 15% of shots hit target /15 = 1% x 100 = # of shots fired = 12,973 incidents shots fired by law abiding citizens.

    12,973/15 = 1% x 100 = total number of self defense incidents just of people not involved in a criminal activity =86,488 incidents.

    Since 70% of all violent crimes are not reported, do you have any data that self defenses aren’t reported at the same rate, no you don’t, so……

    86,488 / 30 = 1% X 100 = 288,293 total incidents of self-defense in 2010

    288,293 x 2.5 people per household = 720,723 people defended or defending themselves.

    Now we know that of 381,000 violent crimes in 2008, there were 12,252 murders, and 70,000 injuries, and assuming the same rate of injuries = 3.2% deaths 18.4% injuries.

    12,252/381,000 = 3.2% and 70,000/381,000 = 18.4%

    288,293 x .032 = # of deaths saved 9,225
    288,293 x .184 = # of injuries prevented 53,045

    So sad we can using this government data show law abiding civilians prevented since 1960 over 1.131 mil murders and prevented over 6.5 mil injuries.

    If it saves just one life, it is justified.

  51. LOL!

    “Since your only 3yrs old” Yes, “your”!

    Since you cannot even write like a 3-year old, perhaps your intellectual abilities match those a 2-year old! No wonder you cannot understand the facts when they hit you in the middle of your forehead.

    Keep them coming! I still enjoy laughing at your hilarious and misguided comments.

  52. Poor wfeather1940, you’re so ignorant that a 6th grader would mop the floor with your hilarious comments. You would not even know the facts even if they hit you right in the middle of forehead! Your time time would be better spent playing in a sandbox with other 3rd graders (your intellectual ability). ROFL!!!

  53. Yeah, so sad your only response to government facts and data you cant prove wrong is communist censorship, such a loser!

    Oh, and I will be back, whenever I choose, my grand nieces were more important than making you kkk members squeal all day!

  54. Good riddance at KBTX. Thanks for the laughs! I haven’t seen this level of ignorance for quite a while. What a loser!

  55. Acquaint yourself with the term, “Strawman,” Peter. Once you realize your lapse of logic, you would do well to investigate the actual NRA, rather than the cartoon parody that you’ve been fed by someone else. (By the way, they’re NOT the “gun lobby” — that would be the NSSF — but a civil rights lobby, since the ACLU tends to fight for only nine of the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights.)

    You also must be cognizant of gun politics. Many seemingly unrelated bills have attached amendments or other ulterior motives that will draw the interest of the NRA. I don’t know the specifics of the bill you mentioned, but I’m thinking it might be akin to an anti-pigeon hunting bill they also opposed. The reason was the deceptive language it contained, which if misapplied could be used to justify any type of bird hunting. The same is true with the last background check bill; aside from checking the background of gun buyers, it imposed a defacto tax on all private sales, since they forced all sales through licensed dealers. The political objective is obvious: to price out buyers of modest means. It also originally contained a mechanism to use the checks to create a registry, which is already illegal. The NRA doesn’t outright object to checks — they DO consider them largely useless, and there’s a case to be made for that opinion — but they only fight a measure if there is an actual infringement to the rights of the innocent.

    Seriously, it seems ludicrous to argue how serious “gun crime” is in one breath and then call people who claim the right to self-defense “irrational” and “paranoid.”

  56. All you’ve accomplished Dr. Caplan is help prove “higher education” dose not equate to common sense, logic, or sadly even respect and courtesy. Suggestion: Why not get to know one of these pro gun individuals that you demonized so pathetically? Go to a range and experience a little of what they have come to enjoy? A little respect for your fellow citizens even the 5 million members that are the NRA would go a long way in understanding despite your education.

  57. [“Can we teach people to call the cops when they know there is a gun in the house of someone who is mentally ill or under a restraining order?”]

    Right. Call the cops and report “crazy person with guns.” Now google and see how many times families call about UNARMED mentally ill people, and the cops end up KILLING them.

    Instead of SWAT “therapy,” how about providing support and treatment with real therapists.

    [How about encouraging doctors, ministers, sporting goods salespeople and other community leaders to learn about and then talk about gun safety?]

    I’ve been teaching gun safety classes for thirty years. There are 97,000 other NRA instructors just itching to educate anyone willing to participate. Unfortunately, you’ve already blown us off. But that’s okay, because more and more people out here haven’t, so our classes are full and more people are learning the truth about real gun safety, making target shooing and hunting among the safest sports you can participate in.

  58. The problem is that gun rights haters look at how people are hurting others & think they see the solution there. Since a good percentage of crimes are committed with guns they strangely think that if guns are illegal that 1) no one will have any & 2) the murder rate will go down. This is ridiculous. The US, with the most guns, has a murder rate below the world average. the key to lowering the murder rate is in thew why. As in why do murderers choose to murder. Solve the socio-economic problems & end the war on drugs for starters. That will go a long way towards reducing crime in crime ridden areas. Guns & access to guns aren’t the problem.

  59. Correct. The person with or without a gun is the most important factor.

    As for your questions: If dirtball is dangerous, dirtball should be in prison, where no guns are allowed and he/she can’t harm any honest folks. If you can find a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals that does not ALSO prevent or discourage good people from getting them, we can do that, too. Keep in mind: criminals already have access to guns. Look at Chicago. Honest folks have a hard time getting legal guns and get put through the wringer if they try, yet the criminal/gang culture produces 10-15 firearm-related homicides every week. Target the illegal use of guns and those who break laws, and we can talk. Target the guns themselves — and get legal gun owners as collateral damage — and your logical position is shaky at best.

    Your second question is ridiculous; you’re trying to get me riled up. It won’t work. We can discuss AR-patterned rifles if you like, but I don’t drink, and my wife doesn’t cheat. What would YOUR wife say if she found out you tried to seduce mine? I can guarantee, my wife would tell her.

  60. Indeed, suicides make up over 60% of all “gun deaths” each year. So should doctors focus on the method employed or the reason WHY the person wanted to die in the FIRST place? Seems to me that you’re a mental heath professional and looking at a GSW, then you’re too late to the scene. (And the same doctors will be treating the wounds and/or coroners performing the autopsy.) Ditto for accidents.

    Doctors study injuries. Criminologists explore WHY the bullets are flying in the first place. Not a tough concept to follow here, is it? Honestly, I wish more doctors DID learn about firearms and the politics swirling around them! Then we wouldn’t have to endure silliness like the above.

    P.S.
    Nobody is hampering “us” from studying it.

  61. Dr. Caplan’s response to the original article was arrogant and insulting, while providing no substantive rebuttal to any of the points made.

    Surely Dr. Caplan can do better than that. Or can he?

  62. a couple points –

    1st, the end-game for “gun-controllers” is no guns except for the police (of course, Ferguson MO is an example of that). Sometimes they admit it, most time they refuse to go there.

    2nd, all this discussion is MOOT.

    The right to arms is a HUMAN right, an individual right, that doesn’t need the 2A to exist.

    In fact, in 1876 the SC said just that. In US vs Cruishank the court said the 2A protected a “pre-existing” right (ie the right wasn’t “granted” by the Constitution since it already existed).

    Before the Civil War the SC said in Dredd Scott that “if blacks were citizens they would have the right to keep and carry arms wherever they went”.

    Of course 150 years later a black woman from PA found out that NJ still doesn’t recognize her right to arms. The same prosecutor who gave Ray Rice an out wants to put Allen in jail for 3.5 years because she foolishly thought her legally owned gun and CC permit from PA also worked in NJ. She found out the hard way that NJ is no longer part of the land of the free.

    But, if you really want to prevent mayhem don’t try to get rid of the guns anymore than you have, and roll back the existing restrictions on the rights of the CITIZENS to keep and carry arms wherever they go.

    The British found out the hard way in 1775 what kind of reaction that gets.

    Don’t be foolish to think it can’t happen again.

  63. Poor logic does lead to poor conclusions. Since I suspect you would agree that most people committing suicide, or most people who die from accidental GSWs are not criminals, it makes no sense to have only criminologists study injuries and deaths by GSWs. It would also make sense to allow us to fund such studies.

  64. “Lots of people die from GSWs.” Indeed, but far more die from falls, blunt objects, edged weapons/cuts and automobile accidents. It’s one thing to have studied how to treat a GSW and another to pontificate on the reasons why they happen. This is true of your doctors treating cancer: they have studied it specifically — it’s not an “experience” issue. I, too, know plenty of champion shooters. They can tell you all about their gear, optics and the discipline involved in good shooting. What most CANNOT tell you is the reasons crime happens, because they’re not CRIMINOLOGISTS.

    I repeat: most doctors know ZERO about guns or firearm politics. Like the general public, they fail to see the huge gulf between criminals and typical American “gun culture.” Your local Olympic skeet shooter is a good example; do you bag on his sport because some home invader used a shotgun? I’m all for logical conclusions. Let’s just agree that poor logic leads to poor conclusions and avoid it, shall we?

  65. Because it is a public health issue. Lots of people die from GSWs. Also, I will be glad to pass on to other docs the idea that we know nothing about guns. The local guy who was an Olympics skeet shooter is going to be very surprised. I would note that this will cause some real issues as we carry this out to its logical conclusion. . I have never had cancer, so I now I wont be able to take care of patients who do. I have never had appendicitis, so I guess this folks will just have to suffer. Since I don’t have a uterus, I will never be able to go on the labor floor again. Bummer.

  66. Sigh. Ok, this takes too much time, but let’s just do one. The Ikeda study is is an anonymous, study based upon what people said over the phone. What are the chances that someone will self report that they misused a gun. That they will call back and admit that it was really one of the kids coming home late? About zero. This is the kind of study that is interesting and could lead to future studies, but no one who does research takes this kind of stuff seriously.

  67. You of course. My turn. Dirtball with with a gun or dirt ball w/o a gun? Or, how about you sober and we are discussing the merits of the AR-15 or you drunk and angry because you found out I was cheating with your wife?

  68. Nice to see that you approve of drunk driving. Anyway, if we are going to have a real slippery slope, my goal should be to see that no one else has guns but me. There, I let it slip.

  69. Why stop with the 2nd amendment? Bullies are using the 1st amendment to torment children. Terrorists are hiding behind the 4th, planning their next attack. Criminals refuse to talk to police officers, exercising the 5th. The public is forced to pay for lawyers for criminals because of the 6th. If we repealed the 7th nobody would be forced to serve on juries. The 8th is preventing us from punishing child molesters the way they need to be. The tenth amendment makes it very hard for federal policies to be implemented. . .

  70. Do you assume that any person is a criminal just waiting to commit a crime? That every person has an equal likelihood of being a murderer?

    As for smart gun tech, if you really think that it won’t be possible to hack it, so that a criminal could use a stolen smart gun, you haven’t been paying attention.

    Why should doctors, rather than criminologists, be researching crime?

  71. Dr. Caplan: Step away from the candy bar! For the sake of public health. A gun does not kill any more than a fork makes you fat. As others have stated here, forks kill far more than firearms every year. In fact, apparently forks are such good killers, they are putting guns to shame.

    What my guns mostly do is lie around in the safe all day. In fact, they are so damn lazy that I’m beginning to suspect that they may in fact be liberal Democrats.

  72. Wow what a thread! Withthe fact that Art has more chins then a chinese phonebook maybe someone should pry the donut from warm pudgy hands and turn his attention to something that does impact health.

  73. “…..I am certain it will not be repealed, dipwad…”

    I guess that’s some more of that “common sense discussion” I keep hearing about.

    “….we have more than enough examples of peaceful and prosperous nations…”

    When those “peaceful and prosperous nations” save the world a few times get back to me.

    “….Greyhound bus fare …”

    Pssst…your bigotry is showing.

  74. WHich nationas are those, the same ones whose government data shows your claim to be a lie, do tell, and oh sweety, I got THEIR government data to back my position.

    See people with a brain, know that comparing data requires the data set before the procedure/law was implemented to todays date!

    So please when you respond, provide the violent crime rate/murder rate before that country implemented strict gun control to todays date to prove your claims eh sweety!

  75. What is it about doctors who insist upon giving advice in areas that they are in no way qualified to do so? I’d bet I could ask Caplan 10 simple, factual questions about firearms and he would get 12 of them wrong.

    For a more mature look at the question, “Is the damage to society from the misuse of guns worth the freedom to have guns?” read http://hub.me/adOMK

    And as far as his “public health buddies” this is what you need to know about their willingness to lie and falsify the data to make their political views come out on top about this subject…

    http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article9.html

    And as far as those “taking the guns”? Perhaps the good doc can attempt to explain away all these quotes…

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/daniel-zimmerman/seriously-one-wants-take-guns/

  76. Steve, let me posit a question for you, to see if you really think the gun is dangerous, or if the true danger lies in the person regardless of whether a gun is present.

    Who would you rather be locked in a closet with?
    a) Me, (note: I’ve been background-checked, licensed for gov’t-approved duty, voluntarily-fingerprinted [required for said license], certified, inspected, and approved), holding a machine gun and a full magazine; or
    b) “Dimebag” Darrel, just released from county lockup (for possession with intent to distribute, aggravated assault, and attempted murder), holding a rusty screwdriver.

  77. That steve is the notorious insane anti gunterd squealer who posts on disqus ALL THE TIME and makes a FOOL OF HIMSELF repeatedly, LOL!

  78. thanks for engaging in the conversation, Dr. Caplan! Your willingness to engage those who disagree with you in the comments hasn’t gone unnoticed!

  79. Steve,
    Yeah let’s take away guns from people with DUI convictions. After that, we can take them away from people who get speeding tickets. After all, “they have so little respect for the rest of us” and public safety , how can they be trusted to safely own a firearm. And people who runs stop signs. Red lights. Park in loading zones. Own businesses and get a fire safety violation for blocking an exit door and having a burned out exit light. Or worse have a dead battery in the exit light. After all, it’s just a Constitutional right. Then maybe we can go after speech rights of people who said a bad word thirty years ago or even today. After all. “they have so little respect for the rest of us”.

  80. Exactly what I tried to convey to anti-gun StevenTorrey. But he labeled my post “extremely stupid and thoughtless.”

    I’m thinking it’s easier to attack an inanimate object than a real issue like medical errors?

  81. Why is it that so many doctors and degreed professionals are so woefully ignorant on firearms and, worse, that they feel that the alphabet soup following their names QUALIFIES them to address a topic which they’ve recieved ZERO training on beyond what Hollywood “teaches” everyone?

    Riddle me this, Dr. Caplan: what organization does more to train people on gun safety and field more gun safety instructors than any other organization in the world? (HINT: It’s NOT Sarah Brady; it’s not Michael Bloomberg; it’s not the VPC. Take your time. You’ mentioned them earlier, albeit in not the same context.)

    The NSSF dispenses free safety literature and gun locks for the asking. (The NSSF — National Shooting Sports Foundation — is the ACTUAL “gun lobby,” by the way.)

    Another question: why won’t police accept “smart guns?” (And a follow up: why should I not emulate the professionals?)

    Lastly, the NRA firearms instructors have been buzzing since the incident with the 9-year-old girl and the death of her instructor. Missing from a lot of the media reports: the fact that kids have been doing this for decades, and only recently have two high-profile tragedies been brought to light, and both for the same reasons! See the assessment by this firearms instructor here: http://djstucrew.livejournal.com/22542.html

    Hopefully you’ll never meet a home invader or carjacker, Dr. Caplan, because your Yoga training won’t help you. “Whatever it is” we do at the range is called “training.” You know… practice, which helps gun owners be more proficient and responsible with their guns. Exactly what you asked for.

  82. Oh and one other thing steve, I have over 10,000 pages of such government evidence, and I tend to post large chunks of it when anti gunnutters only respond with squeals and emotional blather as is their tendencies!

    So keep squealing, and more and more government data and facts you cant disprove will be posted, capcihe sweety!

  83. Speaking of stolen firearms and storage, lets review the following eh!

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / fshbopc0510 . pdf

    Lets review November 2012 USDOJ Firearms Stolen during Household Burglaries and Other Property Crimes, 2005–2010 and see how much safer the public is becoming.

    We see from multiple sources USDOJ identified that over 500,000 firearms were stolen a year during the 1980’s at 16.8 mil property crimes.

    http : // www . nap . edu / openbook . php?record_id=10881&page=74

    National Crime Victimization Survey data for the years 1987 to 1992, suggests that 340,700 thefts occurred annually in which one or more guns were stolen; separate data from North Carolina suggest that on average 1.5 guns are stolen per theft

    Victimizations involving the theft of firearms declined from 283,600 in 1994 to 145,300 in 2010 (figure 1) at 1.5 firearms per victimization stolen.

    145,300 – 12,390 recovered = 132,910 x 1.5 = 199,365 / 350 million firearms in circulation = .057%% of firearms stolen by thieves each year.

    But hey, we did see a 16.8mil to 16.1mil reduction in property crimes = -4.34% reduction.

    Wow, but 199,365/511,050 = -60.9% reduction, hmmm

    If gun owners were so unsafe, how would there only be a -4.34% reduction in property thefts and a -60.9% reduction in gun thefts, hmmmm. You antis are really horrible at math!

    Oh wait, what are you doing to make it so those poor people don’t have the urge to go out and steal, oh that’s right, nothing.

  84. Now the hilarious part is that steve cant for the life of his fantasies…disprove the govt. data posted above showing CDC data since the 1930’s…

    1930 112.8 mil population 3,000+ accidental deaths ((3,000/112.8 mil) * 100k) = 2.66 per 100k people

    2011 309 mil pop 857 accidental deaths 107 of which were age 0-17yrs old, the lowest in 8 decades! ((857/309 mil) x 100k) = .277 per 100k people

    Man thats a ten times lower accidental death rate, and not one single portion of that can be attributed by any facts to the BS doctors promote!

    What with …

    50% increase in gun ownership
    65% increase in guns owned by law abiding civilians
    -73% decrease in actual numbers of accidental deaths

    Well steve, maybe you can dazzle us with your unenlightened BS and demonstrate how you intend to eliminate the stupid gene in humans and eliminate free will as well eh sweety?

    One must also ask why doctors, who are supposed to rely on emperical facts and data rather than the Voodoo Witch Doctor BS that Kaplan promotes, how such doctors as Kaplan arent stripped of their licenses for being the quacks they are!

  85. The 2nd Amendment, like the first, is hardly “antiquated.” After all, we’re talking about “inalienable rights” (or, as written, “unalienable”). In short, every human being has a recognized basic right to self-defense. At the moment, that best method is firearms. Maybe one day it’ll be a “phaser” a la “Star Trek.” The technology changes, but your rights remain the same. Your freedom of speech translates to radio (which did not exist when Amendment I was written), to TV and to the Internet; your freedom of the press likewise extends to bloggers, online publications, etc. So why do you think your right to defend your life is somehow “antiquated?” The only threat to your life is your willingness to divest yourself of this right!

  86. Peter,
    Market solution to safe guns almost made Smith and Wesson go bankrupt because the gun owning hoards didn’t support it. In your mind is that all the more reason for a legislative mandate of safe guns? Bankrupt all gun companies, create a huge price spike in the secondary market, thereby making guns cost prohibitive to most common people. Eventually the used guns will no longer be operational. Then? No more guns. And we don’t have to repeal the second amendment. But I have to give you credit, you never said you wanted to ban guns.

  87. @wfeather1940: Please stop providing all these facts and rational perspective.,, you are making the anti-gun crowd dizzy.

  88. http : // en . wikipedia . org / wiki / List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

    Geez, US is #33 in suicide rates, behind 32 other GUN ban countries, how enlightening!

    Why is it not one single gun ban paradise can point to government data after they banned guns and show a decrease in the numbers of suicides prevented eh sweety?

    I mean after all it is rather SHOCKING how since 1991 law abiding gun owners in the US have acquired more than 85 mil new guns, thats over a 42% increase, and per the FBI UCR we see a -39% reduction in violent crimes, a -52% reduction in murders by illegal use of a gun, yet no 42% increase in suicides with a gun….hmmm….thought you inferred guns caused suicides sweety, oh thats right, you only spewed emotional blathering which has no real impact on real world issues, got it!

  89. Oh whats this, an organization which specializes in identifying root causes of suicides, explain again why they dont identify a tool as a root cause eh eisnteins? Oh thats right, actual facts from experts is ignored as it doesn’t meet your agenda of hate!

    http : // www . suicide . org / suicide-causes . html

    http : // www . suicide . org / suicide-statistics . html

    So we see in…

    1991 43.3% of suicides used a firearm (90% fatal) 650,000 total attempts 12.2 rate = 30,766 suicides
    2001 55.1% of suicides used a firearm (90% fatal) 750,000 total attempts
    2005 52.1% of suicides used a firearm (90% fatal) 800,000 attempts
    2010 50.5% of suicides used a firearm (90% fatal) 850,000 attempts 38,364 suicides

    Hmmm. we don’t see a direct correlation to % of firearms increased in civilian hands and suicides, much less attempts, and GASP we actually see a reduction in suicide attempts even as the % and numbers of firearms are increasing dramatically!

    43.3% to 50.5% = 7.2% increase, yet we have a 42% increase in firearms in the US during the same time, hence no correlation to firearms ownership to suicides much less suicide attempts

    650,000/252,171,000 x 100k = 257.76 suicide attempt rate per 100k people 1991
    850,000/309,330,000 x 100k = 274.78 suicide attempt rate per 100k people 2010

    Wow in fact the rate of suicide attempts is similar at 6.6% increase, but since facts show since the ongoing war and the increase # of soldiers committing suicide and the baby boomers reaching the age where their largest ever age subgroup of Americans will commit higher suicide rates, geez, you antis are going to have an awful hard time lying that guns cause suicides.

  90. “In a study of 146 adolescent friends of 26 adolescent suicide victims, teens living in single-parent families are not only more likely to commit suicide but also more likely to suffer from psychological disorders, when compared to teens living in intact families.”

    Source: David A. Brent, (et. al.) “Post-traumatic Stress Disorders in Peers of Adolescent Suicide Victims: Predisposing Factors and Phenomenology.” Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 34 (1995): 209-215.

    “Fatherless children are at dramatically greater risk of suicide.”

    Source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, National Center for Health Statistics, Survey on Child Health, Washington, D.C., 1993.

    “Three out of four teenage suicides occur in households where a parent has been absent.”

    Source: Jean Beth Eshtain, “Family Matters: The Plight of America’s Children.” The Christian Century (July 1993): 14-21.

    “A family structure index – a composite index based on the annual rate of children involved in divorce and the percentage of families with children present that are female-headed – is a strong predictor of suicide among young adult and adolescent white males.”

    Source: Patricia L. McCall and Kenneth C. Land, “Trends in White Male Adolescent, Young-Adult, and Elderly Suicide: Are There Common Underlying Structural Factors?” Social Science Research 23 (1994): 57-81

  91. http : // www . mayoclinic . org / news2013-rst / 7739 . html)

    Here is a study posted in the HARVARD medical review, at a somewhat anti gun university helping prove that suicides are not such an IMPULSIVE thing.

    Four out of five people who commit suicide have attempted to kill themselves at least once previously. Joiner, Thomas. 2005. Why People Die by Suicide. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.

    http : // lostallhope . com / suicide-statistics / us-methods-suicide

    One of the dirty little secrets anti gunners don’t want to publicly discuss is that suicide by a firearm is 90% to 95% efficient, or that suicide by other means is much less efficient, resulting in an exponentially higher number of damaged survivors as most of the other suicide methods are from oxygen deprivation causing brain damage as a rule, or a fall from high places which is messy and not guaranteed to finish the job, overdoses scrambling the noggin pretty good, should we go describing the what the lack of a tool means for ensuring more people survive their suicides by less effective means?

    Roughly stated 90-95% of attempt by, 70% by suffocation, 50% by falls from heights, 2% by overdose/poisoning are fatal.

    Sad that increase in damaged survivors all resulting in states of physicality ranging from several months recovery to life time medical care required by their families and the state.

    Would you choose to be reminded daily how you failed your family member and now they are vegetables, rather than mourning their loss and then getting on with your life?

  92. http : // politicalcalculations . blogspot . com / 2011 / 02 / us-vs-canada-suicide-edition . html# . VBBZBksoZuY

    Funny how when one reviews the details how one see’s that suicide rates are not dependent on the tool or method used, no matter how often anti gunterds lie and claim the opposite.

    http : // reason . com / blog / 2013 / 10 / 16 / psychiatrists-explain-why-keeping-guns-f

    Psychiatrists Explain Why Disarming the ‘Mentally Ill’ Won’t Prevent Mass MurdersJacob Sullum| Oct. 16, 2013 6:47 pm

    Wow, another psychiatrist, this one at left wing paradise HARVARD says it simply……

    No one wants a dangerous person to have a weapon. But our mental-health system simply can’t be the last line of defense.
    There are just too many mistakes.

    Potential victims need to be able to defend themselves.
    Arthur Berg, a former associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

  93. Doesky,

    Did you read Luis’ article or just the title? Seems like his entire argument was supporting more freedom and less bans, mandates, and legislated health delivery. Seems like a pro 2A person would agree with this position

  94. Aw, so lies, pathological lies, and predetermined results which are academically fraudulent and worse than lies are consider sicentific studies how again?

    By the way, why is it a few so called medical experts want to use the epidimological method of study, you know the study of a virus and how it effects a population, when you are apparently too stupid to discern what the difference is between an abuse of the right versus lawful exercise of a right, as reality is THERE IS A BENEFIT (e.g. 1.131 mil murders prevented, 6.5 mil injuries prevented, $2.17 trillion in medical costs prevented)!

    Oh and one other thing sweety, you didnt disprove ANY of those government data sources, studies and facts, hence until you do, your claims dont mean jack shiite to sane people, capiche!

  95. Filibuster much? Cant say that I care enough to go through the stats one by one, but some of yours are correct, some are cherry picked and some are in areas where we don’t have enough data. But, most of what you cite doesn’t matter to me. I don’t want to take away guns from everyone. Almost no one does. (I think every responsible adult who knows how to use a gun safely should have one at home.) We just want to find out if we can make having them around safer.

    The problem is that we can’t really conduct effective research. The gun lobby has pretty effectively shut it down. Now, they don’t even want physicians to talk with people about the issue (and here I thought that the 1st Amendment came before the 2nd). The issue is not that responsible gun owners are a problem. I have no problem with open carry, though I wish some of the idiots doing so would recognize that just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Concealed carry is fine with me. I am ok with teachers carrying guns at school for that matter, as long as they are responsible gun owners.

    The problem is that I am not going to pretend that everyone who owns a gun is a responsible owner. I have worked way too many years at a trauma center to believe that. So, yes there are some extremists on the left, but you have many on your side also. All I am asking in the short term is that we be allowed to do research on the issue again. I think docs should be able to talk with families about it, just like they talk about pools, pesticides and electrical sockets.

    In the long term, I think we can holdout several hopes. I think tech may eventually solve some problems. People aren’t going to steal guns they can’t use. Since suicide is more of an issue in many ways perhaps we can become better at identifying people who should not have guns around, and have a standardized approach to getting guns out of those homes. Uniform reporting standards so that a fleeing felon from one state cannot buy guns in another state.

    Finally, maybe those 800+ accidental deaths don’t matter to you. or the suicides. They do matter to some of us.

  96. Next time, before releasing the snark Kraken, Dr. Kaplan might want to lean a little about the topic at hand.

    He writes:

    “How about encouraging doctors, ministers, sporting goods salespeople and other community leaders to learn about and then talk about gun safety? How about greater efforts to get gun owners to lock up their guns and ammo properly. How’s about getting hunters to wear the right high-visibility gear. Is there any merit to making guns safer including ‘smart’ guns? Can we teach people to call the cops when they know there is a gun in the house of someone who is mentally ill or under a restraining order? A little training for kids about what to do if they find a gun?”

    No one talks about gun safety more than the NRA and NSSF. We don’t need doctors using their authority to lecture us about firearms safety, especially when the number of accidental shooting deaths is so tiny and the number of anti-gun doctors so large. Plus, given the statistics, lectures on poisonous substances or swimming pool safety would do more good.

    Locking up guns and ammo has never been demonstrated to have a public safety or health benefit. As gun safety guru (and police officer) Massad Ayoob points out, if you have a gun in the house you need to gun proof your kid, not kid proof your gun. That means teaching them about gun safety from as early an age as possible. A locked gun is a gun you can’t get to in an emergency. This waters down the deterrent effect guns in civilian hands have on criminal predation.

    As for blaze orange, 49 states require a hunter education course to get a hunting license. I’m taking the New York course right now. There’s a lot of talk about blaze orange. Dr. Kaplan would be proud. And the rate of hunting accidents has gone down a lot in recent decades.

    Smart guns are a non-starter because of gun grabbing politicians. A bill in New Jersey would effectively ban every handgun without “smart technology” on it (which is all of them) the moment a “smart gun” becomes available for sale. I have no beef with smart tech, I just have a beef with gun-hating politicians (who seem intent on basically banning every handgun in existence) mandating it. This genie is out of the bottle. Gun rights advocates will oppose any smart guns coming to market simply because we know adoption of this technology will be used as a bludgeon against our rights. So if lives are being lost due to non-adoption, you have only the gun-control movement to thank.

    Smart gun tech has also proven unreliable. The only smart gun in existence relies on batteries, takes 10 seconds to arm, and fires .22lr. .22lr is not considered by anyone as a proper self-defense round. Plus the gun costs three times what a regular gun does.

    Finally, “a little training for kids on what to do if they find a gun?” It’s called Eddie Eagle. It’s run by the NRA and it’s trained over 20 MILLION kids to “stop, don’t touch, leave the room, tell an adult.”

    Bet Dr. Kaplan didn’t know that. But now that he does, let’s see if he pushes for his local elementary school to bring the Eddie Eagle program in.

  97. The original post and follow up were intelligent, and professional while the response here was childish and snarky. That right there speaks loudly.

    I wish Dr. Kaplan was correct about no one coming for our guns, but I live in New York. In New York a rifle that was perfectly legal in December 2012 is now illegal because it has a $5 pistol grip on it. New York’s governor was the one to say “confiscation (of so called assault weapons) is on the table.”

    Senator Dianne Feinstein famously longed for the ability to take away every so-called “assault weapon” (the guns with the $5 pistol grips) from every private citizen owning one.

    Michael Bloomberg has said that anyone who has a gun in the house is “stupid.” (He also doesn’t think certain areas of Colorado have roads.)

    In the 1970’s, Massachusetts held a referendum that, if successful, would have forced the confiscation of every handgun owned by civilians. (This incident gave north to the modern, politicized NRA, by the way.)

    Just because the political will to ban and confiscate doesn’t exist now, doesn’t mean it won’t. We in the pro-gun community remain vigilant.

  98. Yes, guns are a tool. (I still don’t understand the guys who pose with their guns. I would never think to do that with my favorite screwdriver or hammer.) They are the best, most convenient killing tools that we have. Without them we would not able to kill in the numbers that we do. An unarmed violent person is much less dangerous than an armed violent person. Like most tools, they can be sued for other purposes, but it is their ability to harm animate objects, people and animals, that is of concern.

  99. “1)Yes it is caused by guns…”
    Steve – if guns are the proximate cause of violence then an unarmed violent person magically becomes a choir boy? You don’t believe that do you? How do you explain the other 99+M guns (including yours) out there that don’t cause violence? Perhaps you’ve rejected reality and substituted your own?
    “best portable killing machines…”
    30k gun deaths out of 300M people and 100M guns tell me “killing machines” is a bit of an overstatement when you do the math. I’m thinking “tool” is probably more appropriate than “machine” considering that fact. You also admitted having guns for self-defense so I assume you recognize that guns can be a tool for both good and bad purposes? Is “killing machine” really a good choice of words when “self-defense tool” would be just as appropriate?

  100. Now we await the proverbial hate, intolerance and foot stomping squealing from the anti gunnutters that always follows a thorough data/fact whupping in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1……and so it begins!

  101. Funny how the CDC put out their own study….

    Estimating intruder-related firearm retrievals in U.S. households, 1994.

    R M Ikeda

    L L Dahlberg

    J J Sacks

    J A Mercy

    K E Powell

    National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA, USA.

    Violence and Victims (Impact Factor: 1.28). 02/1997; 12(4):363-72.
    Source: PubMed

    ABSTRACT To estimate the frequency of firearm retrieval because of a known or presumed intruder, the authors analyzed data from a 1994 national random digit dialing telephone survey (n = 5,238 interviews).

    Three mutually exclusive definitions of firearm retrieval were constructed: (1) retrieved a firearm because there might be an intruder,
    (2) retrieved a firearm and saw an intruder, and
    (3) retrieved a firearm, saw an intruder, and believed the intruder was frightened away by the gun.

    Of 1,678 (34%) households with firearms, 105 (6%) retrieved a firearm in the previous 12 months because of an intruder.

    National projections based on these self-reports reveal an estimated 1,896,842 (95% CI [confidence interval] = 1,480,647-2,313,035) incidents in which a firearm was retrieved, but no intruder was seen;

    503,481 (95% CI = 305,093-701,870) incidents occurred in which an intruder was seen, and

    497,646 (95% CI = 266,060-729,231) incidents occurred in which the intruder was seen and reportedly scared away by the firearm.

    Why is it that not one single academicallt vetted study has disproven this study or its data in 20 years?

    Why is it not one academically vetted study has disproven that same rate of self defense occurs today eh?

  102. Oh you want data, hey lets review the following.

    http : // www . fbi . gov / ucr / ucr . htm
    FBI UCR Database

    You know, the government database showing in 2008 that 1.38 mil violent crimes were reported and that of those 381,000 involved a firearm, 15% of the incidents were shots fired.

    Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001

    Hmmmm, where were all the police to protect these victims eh?

    http : // www . data . gov / details / 1526

    USDOJ National Victimization Report 2008

    You know, the government agency sub annual report showing in 2008 alone that 70% of all violent crimes committed each year were not reported.
    Funny how we see Canada & England perform this same study and get the same results, go figure eh!

    Oh wait, what’s this, annual firearm discharge reports that show the police only hit their targets 15% of the time, such a common trend.

    http : // www . virginiacops . org / Articles / Sho . . .
    http : // www . theppsc . org / Staff_Views / Aveni . . .
    http : // www . nyc . gov / html / nypd / downloads / p . . .
    http : // www . nyclu . org / files / nypd_firearms . . .

    Uh just an fyi there were approximately 12,252 murders and 70,000 injuries by firearms in 2008.

    So using the standard shooting percentages, and hit % provided by all that government data these antis cant refute, lets calculate and see how many people self defense has saved the US per year, and we will only concentrate on the law abiding to start with.

    Even though the anti’s wont admit that even felons, who are citizens, have the right to defend themselves.

    Self Defense saves lives

    FBI UCR 2010

    278 documented justifiable homicides and since there are oh 2.5 people per household per US Census, almost 6 injuries per death we will calculate from that point.

    278 incidents + (6 x 278 = injured) = 15% of shots hit target /15 = 1% x 100 = # of shots fired = 12,973 incidents shots fired by law abiding citizens.

    12,973/15 = 1% x 100 = total number of self defense incidents just of people not involved in a criminal activity =86,488 incidents.

    Since 70% of all violent crimes are not reported, do you have any data that self defenses aren’t reported at the same rate, no you don’t, so……

    86,488 / 30 = 1% X 100 = 288,293 total incidents of self-defense in 2010

    288,293 x 2.5 people per household = 720,723 people defended or defending themselves.

    Now we know that of 381,000 violent crimes in 2008, there were 12,252 murders, and 70,000 injuries, and assuming the same rate of injuries = 3.2% deaths 18.4% injuries.

    12,252/381,000 = 3.2% and 70,000/381,000 = 18.4%

    288,293 x .032 = # of deaths saved 9,225
    288,293 x .184 = # of injuries prevented 53,045

    So sad we can using this government data show law abiding civilians prevented since 1960 over 1.131 mil murders and prevented over 6.5 mil injuries.

    If it saves just one life, it is justified.

  103. Lets identify who exactly is responsible for the majority of that violence first.

    http : // www . fbi . gov / stats-services / publications / 2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

    For several decades, studies have been conducted on crime and causalities by various bodies including major universities, criminologists and even the U.S. Department of Justice.

    These studies have found that approximately 80% of all crime is committed by 20% of all criminals.

    Some of the studies have provided slightly different numbers but all of them have found that a small group of criminals commit a vastly disproportionate number of crimes than their peers.

    Wolfgang et al ., 1972;
    Petersilia et al ., 1978;
    Williams, 1979;
    Chaiken and Chaiken, 1982;
    Greenwood with Abrahamse, 1982,
    Martin and Sherman,1986

    Funny, Wolfgang is the pre-eminent crimiologist in the WORLD for the least century, and his theorems proving 80% of all violent crime is committed by less than 20% of career criminals, destroys any inferrences the socialist doctors make that the law abiding gun owners are responsible for that violence….over, and over and over again!

    http : // www . usnews . com / news / articles / 2013 / 11 / 14 / gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions?s_cid=rss:gun-violence-significantly-increased-by-social-interactions

    “Gun Violence Significantly increased by social interactions”

    Andrew Papachristos, an associate professor of sociology at Yale, analyzed police and gun homicide records from 2006 to 2011 for people living in a high-crime neighborhood in Chicago.

    He found that 41 percent of all gun homicides occurred within a network of less than 4 percent of the neighborhood’s population, and that the closer one is connected to a homicide victim, the greater that person’s chances were for becoming a victim. Each social tie removed from a homicide victim decreased a person’s odds of becoming a victim by 57 percent.

    “What the findings essentially tell you is that the people who are most at risk of becoming a victim are sort of surrounded by victims within a few handshakes,” Papachristos says.

    “These are young men who are actively engaged in the behaviors that got them in this network.”

    The network in question consists of more than 3,700 high-risk individuals – young, African-American males from a poor neighborhood – who were clustered into a network by instances of co-offending, meaning each person in the group had been arrested with another person.

    Overall, the community’s five-year homicide rate was 39.7 per 100,000 people, which was still much higher than the averages of other areas of Chicago (14.7 per 100,000).

    But being a part of that network of co-offenders, essentially just being arrested, raised the rate to by nearly 50 percent, to 55.2 per 100,000.

    What’s more, being in a network with a homicide victim increased the homicide rate by 900 percent, to 554.1 per 100,000.

    “You’re at a risk for living in this [certain] community, but if you’re in the network, your risk is astronomical,” Papachristos says. “That rate is beyond epidemic proportion, that’s actually scary.”

    Amazing how the FBI UCR data doesnt identify whether the person committing the crime is a felon to begin with, when all this other government data does, why is that?

    http : // www . pewstates . org / uploadedFiles / PCS_Assets / 2011 / Pew_State_of_Recidivism . pdf

    Recidivism rates being over 40% as well!

    2.7 mil prisoners

    1.4 mil active gang members

    2.5-3.5 mil active criminals

    1.043 mil plus open felony warrants

    Hence add in the career criminals.

    CDC -Suicidal people speak for them-selves as suicide is a felony.

    Shall we review police firearm discharge reports in Chicago and NYC where between 76-80% of those involved in shootings, both shooter and injured were both involved in criminal activity at the time of the incident.

    www . popcenter . org / problems / drive_by_shooting / PDFs / Block_and_Block_1993 . pdf,
    www . nyc . gov / html / nypd / downloads / pdf / public_information / 2007_firearms_discharge_report . pdf,
    www . nyclu . org / files / nypd_firearms_report_102207 . pdf

    Yeah, review of all the govt. data above shows over 96% of all killings by illegal use of a firearm are committed by career criminals, gang members, suiciders & crazies w approximately 50% of the remainder due to domestic violence incidents.

    A sane person would normally address the largest problem first don’t you agree?

    Oh you want numbers, ok!

    Since suicides are illegal, murder is illegal that means accidental deaths, justifiable homicides and the % of murders not committed by FELONS or any of the other 9 categories of people banned can be removed from the 31,084 total, which as noted in the multiple USDOJ studies and reports 80% of the most violent crimes are committed by career criminals, gang members.

    Do the numbers now that you have the premise, here are the numbers for 2011.

    31,084 killings by use of gun
    9,892 murders
    19,766 suicides
    591 justifiable homicides (209 by civilians using a gun, 270 total)
    835 accidental deaths

    ((9,892 x .8)+19,766)/31,084 -(591+835) = 27,860/29,658 = 93.9%.

    Oh darn, forgot the FBI not reporting the correct number of justifiable homicides, so since 209 justifiable homicides were by firearm alone by civilians, 5 times 209 = 1,045.

    So 29,658-1,045 = 28,613

    Redone = 27,860/28,613 = 97.3% darn, that’s more than 96%, my bad!

  104. Gun Control the largest money scam in the world.

    $330 mil a year for 21 mil background checks in 2013 or roughly $15 per background check which at 192.5 mil total background checks since 1997 x $15 = $3.025 billion in cost to taxpayers for an averag 45 successful prosecutions per year, and between 1 to 2 maximum injuries prevented = 16-32 total injuries prevented in 16 years!

    Wow thats REALLY SOMETHING, LOL, NOT!

    It has been noted that in Colorado, over the last 6 months, they have had UBC, of which from somewhat dubious numbers of 13,000 UBC checks that wouldnt have occured they have claimed 104 rejections in that 6 months……hmmmm!

    Reality is that 93.8% of those rejections are FALSE POSITIVES as per NICS Operations reports as the Backgound checks have proven to be over the near 17 years!

    1-(104x .938) = 6.448 actual bad guys!

    Now it is a proven fact per FBI UCR that only 26.8% of all violent crimes committed is the use of a gun occur

    6.448 X .268 = 1.72 incidents where a gun would probably be used

    1.72 x .15 = .259 incidents shots were fired, uh thats less than 1 time (number of times shots fired as per USDOJ Firearms use by Offenders Nov 2001, only 18,000 criminals polled so rather LARGE sample size eh)

    .259 x .15 = .0388 number of shots hit their target as police firearm discharge reports only show at best 15% of shot fired hit their target!

    Wow so 6 months = .0388 shots hit their target x 2 = 1 year = .0776 shot hit their target in 1 year in Colorado maybe prevented by the UBC provided the bad guy was actually locked up.

    Oh wait, since the bad guys are prosecuted less than 1% of the time we have to reduce that by 99% to be realistic so .0776 x .01 = .00776.

    Dang so how many years would the UBC take in Colorado to save 1 injury?

    1/ .00776 = 12.88 years

    Oh wait, so what the anti gunterds are claiming, is that 12.88 years, at an extra $2 mil per year just in Colorado is justifiable expense for the UBC how again? (thats over $25.7 million in todays money)

    So explain again how UBC Universal Background checks will improve things so dramatically, do tell?

    Reality gun control is only a scam to get more taxes out of the citizens!

    So were the UBC to be implemented in 2014 nationwide at $2 mil extra per state on average, the cost would be $430 mil that year, on top of the $3.025 billion already spent.

    2014 32 max injuries prevented +.0776 = 32.00776 into $3.455 billion = $107.942 mil cost per injury prevented!

    2015 34.01552 max injuries prevented into $3.885 billion = $114.213 mil cost per injury prevented!

    2016 36.0233 max injuries prevented into $4.315 billion = $119.783 mil cost per injury prevented

    Get the picture……it all about control and the money, not one damn thing about reducing violence!

  105. So waiting for you antis to show how maybe saving one injury from bad guys a year at a cost of over $330 mil a year is justifiable!

    http : // www . justice . gov / jmd / 2014justification / pdf / fbi-justification . pdf
    http : // www . fbi . gov / about-us / cjis / nics / reports / 2012-operations-report

    So in 2012-2013 the FBI spent over $68 million on salaries 2-1, and shows an increase of $100 million in salaries and benefits for expansion to support the massive increases in NICS transactions run in 2014!

    So we see that us $168 million in salaries, but wait, that doesn’t cover the entire NICS operations cost to tax payers.

    See, 13 States contact only state, 7 states contact state for handgun & FBI for long guns (80% of all guns purchased are handguns) and the remainder use NICS for both handguns and long guns.

    That means roughly that $168 million (just in salaries and benefits) are being spent in 2014 for 30 states operations of the NICS…hmmm!

    So there must be a way to figure out what cost there is accrued in the states who don’t use the NICS, yeah, we can.

    Can anyone claim government is any more efficient in those 20 states than it is in the 30 states using the federal NICS, no, didn’t think so!

    In 2012 there were 8,725,425 million background checks processed by federal (1,143,049 by e-check)

    10,866,878 transactions were processed by state users

    So lets see $168 mil/30 states = $5.6 mil average cost per state using federal NICS

    20 states x $5.6 mil = $112 mil cost for 20 states not using federal NICS!

    Oh wait, that is only $280 mil cost to tax payers to run the NICS for both federal & states…hmmmm.

    How much does it cost to run all the facilities, and support functions of their daily operations….

    Amazing how one can easily show that taxpayers foot the bill of $330 million a year for NICS, and only show maybe 1 or 2 injuries prevented each year, WOW ISNT THAT SUCH A GREAT THING, well, maybe to a moron socialist doctor it is!

  106. Lets review how many bad guys were actually prosecuted!

    2010, 44 successfully prosecuted out of 139,651 total rejections


    https : // www . ncjrs . gov / pdffiles1 / bjs / grants / 239272 . pdf


    2009, 32 successfully prosecuted out of 129,357 total rejections


    https : // www . ncjrs . gov / pdffiles1 / bjs / grants / 234173 . pdf
    

2008, 31 successfully prosecuted out of 135,933 total rejections


    https : // www . ncjrs . gov / pdffiles1 / bjs / 231052 . pdf


    2007, 39 successfully prosecuted out of 128,277 total rejections
    

https : // www . ncjrs . gov / pdffiles1 / bjs / grants / 227604 . pdf


    2006, 62 successfully prosecuted out of 134,442 total rejections


    http :// www . jrsa . org / events / conference / presentations-08 / Ronald_Frandsen . pdf

    Horrible how this works, especially since 93.8% of the 2.056 mil rejected were actually FALSE POSITIVES, meaning they werent actually bad guys!

    https : // www . ncjrs . gov / pdffiles1 / bjs / 231052 . pdf

  107. Unlike the squealing doctor above, we use facts, government facts to prove our position!

    USDOJ National Victimization Report for 10 years.

    Canada & England show the same results.

    http : // bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv01 . pdf
    http : // bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv02 . pdf
    
http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv03 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv04 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv05 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv06 . pdf
    
http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv07 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv08 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv09 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv10 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv11 . pdf

    http : // www . bjs . gov / content / pub / pdf / cv12 . pdf


    http : // www . homeoffice . gov . uk / publications / science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/bcs1011tech1?view=Binary


    http : // www . statcan . gc . ca / pub / 85-002-x / 2010002 / arti . . .

    VCR=Violent Crimes Reported (FBI UCR)
    VNR = Violent Crimes Not Reported USDOJ

    Year / VCR / VNR / % of violent crimes not reported

    2001 /1,439,480 /5,743,820 /74.94%
    2002 /1,423,677 /7,424,550 /80.82%
    2003 /1,383,676 /5,401,720 /74.38%
    2004 /1,390,745 /5,182,670 /73.17%
    2005 /1,390,745 /5,162,400 /73.06%
    2006 /1,418,043 /3,672,940 /61.39%
    2007 /1,408,337 /5,177,130 /72.80%
    2008 /1,394,461 /4,856,510 /71.29%
    2009 /1,325,896 /4,343,450 /69.47%
    2010 /1,251,248 /4,935,980 /74.65%
    2011 /1,203,564 /5,805,430 /79.27%

    Totals 15,029,872 /57,706,600 /73.95% avg. per year

  108. I’ve just finished reading Mr. Khanna’s original article, Mr. Caplan’s response, article, and the responses and exchanges in the above comments section. Overall, Khanna takes a serious tone and uses facts, logic, and rhetoric to back up his arguments. Caplan prefers to use snark and condecension, throwing out ideas without much argument behind them.

    If these essays are representative of the the two “sides” of the firearms issue, it is clear why Kaplan’s side is winning among the thoughtful crowd, while Caplan remains ahead with the more emotionally judgemental groups.

  109. Then of course one must also look at how many people the background check supposedly saves.

Since physically stopping a person from acquiring a gun, is only accomplished by putting them in jail.

    One only has to work from the avg number of incidents a gun is used by a bad guy in a crime and calculate against the number of bad guys actually put away!

    Of course you anti guntards can prove that people stop trying to lie, do evil by comparing the 4.48% of bad guys who are supposedly stopped from buying a gun results in the well publicized and proven human trait of giving up, as you anti guntards have clearly demonstrated how you give up your pathological lies, hate and ridicule after being stopped in oh so many of your gun control anti rights efforts!

    

In 2010 using NICS, FBI, USDOJ, Police Firearm Dishcharge reports, CDC data, we see…..



    1.248 mil violent crimes reported,
    74.65% not reported,
    322,000 involved a gun,
    85% of incidents no shots fired,
    15% of shots fired hit target
    1 in 7 injuries fatal.



    Which if one calculates out the multiple USDOJ studies showing that over 80% of all violent crimes are committed by career criminals, gang members, crazies & domestic
violence abusers..we see the following.

    

(total successfully prosecuted by BATF in 2010) 44 x 15% = 6.6 total people

    involved with shots fired

 6.6 x 15% = 1 person hit by shots fired



    1 x 20% = .2 people hit by shots fired by non criminals,

    .8 people hit by shots fired by bad guys



    Wow, you do realize that the cost of the near 3,000 plus people employed by BATF, FBI and state agencies for background check process cost the US over $330 million each year, dang.



    So explain again how that $330 mil in background checks is justifiable to save maybe just one or two people?



  110. BATF prosecutes less than 1% of the 2.056 mil rejected since 1997.

    BATF doesn’t do anything about the 95.52% of bad guys (21 mil + since 1997) who don’t even try to buy from a licensed source to begin with.

    BATF doesn’t allow civilians access to NICS for background checks on private sales.

    BATF out of 139,651 rejected in 2010 only prosecuted 44, 26 straw buyers, 11 felons, 7 domestic violence abusers, no crazies.

    BATF let over 297,577 straw buyers pass the background check and buy over 446,363 guns in 2010 (over 2.23 mil+ since 1997)

    Govt. refused to resource to input the mentally ill & felons into NICS database with only 5.1 mil severely mentally ill and felons in NICS database as of July 2014 while there are over 31.793 mil of both in the US.

    Govt. refuses to resource people and moneys to pursue the 1.221 mil + people wanted on open felony warrant of whom 50% are probably severely mentally ill as are 50% of current 2.7 mil prisoners.

    Man them are some nasty loopholes the government & BATF have created.

    When are you lefties going to fix these BATF & Govt. loopholes instead of making more useless laws that per Haynes vs. US 390, 85, 1968 & Freed vs US 401, 601, 1971 which affirm the 5th amendment right of no self incrimination, makes 85% of all gun control laws not applicable as a prosecutable charge eh?

    You know, licenses, registrations, background checks etc, etc, etc…all require someone to IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

    So explain again how a law, you cant punish a bad guy with, will reduce violence by said bad guy eh?

    Oh thats right, you lefties will wave your magic fairy wand and sprinkle your magic fairy dust and wish it to happen, LOL!

  111. Dang that nasty government data proving anti gunterds pathological liars all day long!



    For those who don’t click the link:


    A 1997 Justice Department survey of more than 18,000 state and federal convicts revealed the truth:


Firearm Use by Offenders,Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001


    http : // bjs . ojp . usdoj . gov / index . cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=940

    
• 39.6% of criminals obtained a gun from a friend or family member
    

• 39.2% of criminals obtained a gun on the street or from an illegal source
    

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show
 

    • 1% of criminals purchased a gun at a flea market


    • 3.8% of criminals purchased a gun from a pawn shop


    • 8.3% of criminals actually bought their guns from retail outlets




    78.8% criminals purchased their guns from unlicensed sources, and BS law that only punish the law abiding will do what to change this, ROTFLMFAO!




    We see how the USDOJ survey in 1997 where felons identified purchasing their weapons from SUMMARIZED ROUNDED TOTALS

    80% street buys/theft/family
straw buys, 12% retail stores, 2% gun shows.

    

Then that 68% reduction of attempted buys from licensed sources puts the street buys/theft at 95.52%:

    1-(12% x .68%) = 3.64% retail stores, 1-(2% x .68%) = .64% gun shows in today’s numbers (100% – 4.48%) = 95.52%. 



    USDOJ Background Check & Firearm transfer report 2008


    http : // bjs . ojp . usdoj . gov / content / pub / html / bcft / 2008 / bcft08st . pdf

    Isnt it amazing how 95.52% of bad guys (21 million plus, since 1997) dont even attempt to buy from a licensed source to begin with and more laws will do what to change that, oh nothing as normal!

  112. http : // www . cnn . com / 2013 / 04 / 10 / living / guns-parenting / index . html?hpt=hp_t1

    Lets use government data and compare someone supposedly safe, a doctor, to the chance of your children being killed by an accidental firearm discharge and again, we won’t use one single NRA generated data source.


    CDC Death Data 1930′s, over 3,000+ accidental deaths by firearm discharge


    CDC Death & Data 2010 835 deaths by accidental firearm discharge, right at 107 age 0-17 yrs old.


    http : // www . cdc . gov / nchs / data / dvs / deaths_2010_release . pdf



    US Census 1930′s 112.8 mil

    US Census 2010 312 mil


    BATF 1930 TO 2009 150 Million more firearms in civilian hands



    JAMA

    http : // jama . ama-assn . org / cgi / content / full / 286 / 4 / 415 



    700,000 doctors in US kill 98,000 to 195,000 by medical malpractice every year or .135 to.278 per physician. 



    http : // www . medicalnewstoday . com / releases / 254341 . php



    Since kids = roughly 1/3 of population, will adjust deaths to reflect = 13,200 to 65,000 deaths. (0188 to .0926)

107 / 100,000,000 = .0000011 deaths per 100 mil gun owners.

    Physician is .045 or .0927 /.00000011 = 44,909 to 84,272 times more likely to harm your child than they being accidently harmed by a lawfully owned firearm and that is only in homes with a firearm, ah wow, thats soooooooo scarey, well, to an idiot maybe its scarey!

    So where is the risk from law abiding gun owners and why aren’t you antis crying to ban doctors?

    Actually anyone taking their child to a doctor for a non illness reason should have Child Protective Services called on them for risking their child’s lives so frivolously.

  113. I am certain it will not be repealed, dipwad. And, as to any expectation, we have more than enough examples of peaceful and prosperous nations thadt lack a 2nd Amendment.

    And, trolldoesky, I know that the threats tossed my way were the effortless gratuitous bleatings of idiot Keyboard Kommandos. I replied to one “you can’t afford the Greyhound bus fare to get here.”

  114. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/10/living/guns-parenting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    Lets use government data and compare someone supposedly safe, a doctor, to the chance of your children being killed by an accidental firearm discharge and again, we won’t use one single NRA generated data source.


    CDC Death Data 1930’s, over 3,000+ accidental deaths by firearm discharge


    CDC Death & Data 2010 835 deaths by accidental firearm discharge, right at 107 age 0-17 yrs old.


    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf



    US Census 1930’s 112.8 mil

    US Census 2010 312 mil


    BATF 1930 TO 2009 150 Million more firearms in civilian hands



    JAMA http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/286/4/415 

700,000 doctors in US kill 98,000 to 195,000 by medical malpractice every year or .135 to.278 per physician. 



    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/254341.php



    Since kids = riughly 1/3 of population, will adjust deaths to reflect = 13,200 to 65,000 deaths. (0188 to .0926)

107 / 100,000,000 = .0000011 deaths per 100 mil gun owners.

    Physician is .045 or .0927 /.00000011 = 44,909 to 84,272 times more likely to harm your child than they being accidently harmed by a lawfully owned firearm and that is only in homes with a firearm, ah wow, thats soooooooo scarey, well, to an idiot maybe its scarey!

    So where is the risk from law abiding gun owners and why aren’t you antis crying to ban doctors?

    Actually anyone taking their child to a doctor for a non illness reason should have Child Protective Services called on them for risking their child’s lives so frivolously.

  115. Funny how not one single on of those who make claims as this pendejo does, can post the publicly available 990 tax forms of the NRA & NSSF side by side and prove their position.

    Funny how the NSSF has and always will be the firearm industry manufacturers representative…..end of story!

    Funny how not one single on of those who make claims like this pendejo does that guns are alive and the root cause of violence!

    Still waiting on your video evidence of a gun, loading, aiming and pulling its own trigger sweety!

    But hey, a few unenlightened doctors refuse to accept all that US GOVERNMENT DATA showing how law abiding civilians armed self defense since 1960 has prevented over 1.131 mil murders, prevented over 6.5 mil injuries, and prevented over $2.17 trillion in medical expenses…welcome to reality!

    By the way, what is the prescription to cure the 30% of the population, not white, as identified by the USDOJ, who commit 87% of all the violent crimes, and vote predominantly demokrat sunshine?

  116. Peter1: “Market solution to safe guns…the last time that was attempted Smith & Wesson almost went bankrupt. The gun owner hoards just won’t let any market attempt be tried, let alone succeed.”

    If your “safe guns” idea is so great, why don’t police officers in bastions of gun control like California and New York go ahead and adopt them for service? It would certainly prevent criminals from taking their guns and using it against them, thus making the situation “safer”.. Go ahead, try proposing it to your local police forces, and watch how quickly you’re laughed out of there.

    On that note, next time you try passing a law limiting magazine capacities, or cosmetic features on “assault weapons”, try not writing in a law enforcement exemption and see how fast you get insurmountable pushback from the the LEO community.

  117. My fake screen name is just as real as your supposed death threats.

    Of coarse you didn’t answer the question of what you expect to happen after the 2ndA gets banned?

  118. First sentence = “..NRA is a fascist organization…”

    Another fine example of the Left and their “common sense discussion” that they keep asking for. Did you honestly expect me to read anything past that first line? If you did, you’re very wrong….as usual.

  119. +1. Disappointing, wasn’t it, from someone who believes he speaks for all public health pro’s. The suggestions on education include many already done by the NRA, sportsmen’s publications, gun groups and volunteers, for example Appleseed. Caplan’s snark is entertaining, to the morally superior among the ‘elites’ he is playing to, in this piece, but insulting to everyone else, and just illustrates his own ignorance, in the end. Thanks again, Mr Khanna, for speaking up. Its seems there is a great deal of education to be done in public health.

  120. Luis….can you kindly tell me which school you graduated from with a thought process like that? Just need to know which doctors to avoid in the future.

  121. How about I call B.S. on you receiving death threats even though they are totally meaningless and just as likely made by leftists wishing to tarnish pro-2A folks.

    I say go ahead and try to repeal. Go make the effort to convene a constitutional convention. That’s the way the process works. Your chances of success are zero and even if you do succeed just what kind of victory do you think you’ll win? I guess you’re thinking that as soon as the cops get done winning the “War on Drugs” they’ll get lickety-split on your “War on Guns” and try to retrieve 300 million guns from 100 million people or so. Uh Huh.

    Lastly repealing the 2ndA does nothing to repeal the God-given right to self defense. The owners of those 300M guns will be adhering to those God given rights.

  122. When are you going to discuss swimming pools or medical malpractice. Health care “professionals” kill 200,000 people a year compared to 30,000 by gun (half of which were suicide. If we drill down to rifles, in 2011 only 438 murders were committed with a rifle; 618 were committed with a hammer.

    Are you going to address hammers in the home?

  123. “….squealing in terror before the kale crunching….”
    “Vik, buddy,….”
    “…pry your gun from your warm-blooded grip…”
    “…walk out to my Prius….gluten-free pasta …. Bikram yoga”

    Mockery is the standard tactic from Leftists when they are on the losing side of an argument. It is quite effective usually because the Left controls the medium and does not allow rebuttal. Well Mr. Caplan you are not so lucky because unlike Bloomberg’s astroturf Mothers Deman Action facebook page you do not get the luxury of routinely deleting dissenting opinions.

    So let me address your biggest fundamental falsehood….

    “There is no political movement to take away anyone’s guns.”

    Here is Diane Feinstein (Lead senator for weapons ban) saying on video that she desires an “outright ban, picking every one of them”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rA6oX6eWWs

    Dr. Caplan, you are guilty of one of the following…..

    1) Stunning ignorance of the subject
    or
    2) Purposely lying

    Which is it?

  124. So your erudite phraseology can be refined down to the same ad hominem attacks typically employed by libertyphobes. Good to know.

  125. The funny part is that you have the gall to call NRA members paranoid, then completely dismiss the fact that they are also your fellow Americans, instead insulting them and treating them like animals.

    Look at you. Who’s really the animal now? You can’t even calm down for 5 minutes to open a rational debate because you have this thought in your mind that all NRA members are knuckle dragging, beer drinking rednecks that blame the illegals that terk ther jerbs and all that good stuff.

    Way to paint a brush of ignorance across all the Engineers, Scientists, Lawyers, and Medical Techs / Doctors who all belong to the NRA and support gun rights.

    I suggest you start acting like an intelligent person if you ever want to be taken serious, not like some spoiled brat child that throws a tantrum because somebody doesn’t agree with your self righteous views.

    It’s very difficult to act like you are on a moral high ground when you’re standing right in the mud all the same.

  126. I think Vik pretty much destroyed Art in almost every respect with this statement.

    What say you now, Art? The ball is right back in your court. Rather fast, that.

  127. “Paranoid, ignorant rant with not a shred of truth.”

    Expected answer and point prover.

  128. Paranoid, ignorant rant with not a shred of truth. There’s a tinfoil hat somewhere out there with your name on it.

  129. This and all “debates” about guns is useless because the NRA is a fascist organization where any approach to a better “solution” is rebuffed because they think it will be the thin edge of the liberal wedge.

    The NRA even fights against non gun legislation if it passes the “liberal” smell test. In NC they have lobbied against a much needed puppy mill bill. This is the sick mentality we’re dealing with.

    Market solution to safe guns! Really Vic, you jest (another re-direct). The last time that was attempted Smith & Wesson almost went bankrupt. The gun owner hoards just won’t let any market attempt be tried, let alone succeed.

    As for helping so called failing urban communities to abate gun violence, another pipe dream without the funds to make it happen. If the NRA and gun nuts really wanted to support that they’d advocate for a tax on bullets and guns to help fund community intervention programs. Hell Vic, pediatricians can’t legally discuss gun safety to parents, even to those in the communities you claim you help.

    The NRA and their co-conspirators, the gun manufacturers and government haters, support violent failed urban communities because the irrational fear they fuel helps drive gun sales and NRA political power.

  130. Statistically, Dr. Caplan, you appear to have much more to fear from your fork and spoon than from any firearm. Obesity kills roughly 300,000 folks in America annually. Bullets kill only 11,000. Perhaps,” doctor, heal thyself first”.

  131. 1) If you think an inanimate object CAUSES violence, I can’t help you. Words have meaning.

    2) Most restrictions are at the state level, although national efforts to ban certain classes of weapons continue to rear their ugly heads every few years.

    3) His “question” is faulty, and Vik Khanna already showed that public health professionals DO have something to contribute – in a respectful, factual way, which this bloviating assbag arrogantly dismissed out of hand.

    4) A lot of you don’t. It’s not about groupings. There is more to firearms than knowing how to aim.

    5) If a kid is educated and trained, and if you take responsibility and keep positive control of your firearm at all times, that does not happen. I actually HAVE one of those safes, and it takes longer to open and load your firearm than it does for a thug to put a slug into you.

    6) I don’t want to pay for their medical care either, but that’s a separate issue.

    7) Discussion has been going on for quite a while. If you or Art are unaware of them, do your research before screeching.

    8) No, I am saying I am not a mental health professional, nor do I know whether or not my neighbor has a restraining order against him. The most I can do is call the police if I see/hear violence happening, but I’m not going to advocate DIVINING whether or not a person is mentally qualified to own a tool.

    9) “Begun in 1988, The Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has reached more than 26 million children – in all 50 states. This program was developed through the combined efforts of such qualified professionals as clinical psychologists, reading specialists, teachers, curriculum specialists, urban housing safety officials, and law enforcement personnel.” — Seems the program is pretty popular. Additionally, every parent who is a responsible gun owner should reinforce these simple messages with their children. The tools are there. That “little training” for kids is there. The fact that your buddy is ignorant of its existence further erodes any cred he may have had on the issue.

  132. This is honestly the best rebuttal you guys could come up with? Thanks for the handy post I can reference any time someone tries to convince me that the public health crowd just wants to take an honest look at the issue and isn’t motivated by emotion, etc….

    Couple of points….

    Smart guns are unicorns. The safest gun on earth is one that goes bang every time the trigger is pulled and doesn’t go bang unless the trigger is pulled. That’s it. Plenty of reputable manufacturers already make something very close to that. You let me know when police and military start using these “safer smart guns” but I won’t be holding my breath. Adding complexity to something that absolutely needs to work when you need it to work is idiotic… glock won’t even put manual safeties on their guns for this reason…. I understand that you guys are really into these things (and it clearly has nothing to do with production limitations and the cost of such technology that would essentially prevent large swaths of society from having access to firearms, no, I understand it has nothing to do with that….) but you should understand that you lose all credibility on the entire gun issue with anyone who knows anything about guns the second you start talking about smart guns…. It’s the biology equivalent of rambling on about intelligent design…

    If we got past the politics and were able to conduct honest research on the issue of gun violence, the conclusions wouldn’t be fit for public consumption. It would be a career killer for any public health official or politician who dared speak of some of the things that correlate so strongly with gun violence…. If you guys are so bent on doing the research, lets do it honestly…

    Bloomberg can outspend the NRA every day of the week without his bank account even noticing. You can’t on one hand argue that the NRA is so mighty that there is nothing for gun owners to worry about and then on the other argue that groups with much more funding are of no consequence. Which is it?

    Speaking of the NRA, if you’re really into hunter education, safe storage and handling, etc, you should probably join…. they do the vast majority of teaching on these issues…. The NRA could step in tomorrow and educate any pastor or community organizer that you want educated on anything and everything guns, but I’m betting you wouldn’t support that effort. wouldn’t want the education to be simple education…. gotta make sure we include the fear mongering…

    And finally, hope you didn’t wreck your Birkenstocks dancing in Vacca’s blood…. the way you guys celebrate tragedy is disgusting….

  133. 1) Good. Then you no longer need a gun. You can cause violence on your own. For me, I will still keep a gun.

    2) Correct, but Vik and Nicki above are claiming there still is a national movement of consequence. With 300 million guns in circulation around now, they aren’t going away. Everyone knows that.

    4) Actually, most docs don’t have time to give extensive advice, nor do they want to do so. A couple of quick questions just to make sure that people who own guns are taking some effort to keep things safe. However, the gun lobby is making it illegal to even talk about it.

    5) The police don’t have time to do that. No such law will pass , except maybe in a few communities where no one owns guns anyway.

    7) I live next door to New Jersey. I know that law well. I don’t think a law in New Jersey should hold the rest of us captive. People in New Jersey can change their law.

    8) No. Anti-rights do not want to do away with due process. Most are decent normal people just like you. They want due process AND they want it possible for people who have demonstrated they are a risk to themselves or others to not have easy access to guns. Why do people with DUI convictions have guns? If they have so little respect for the rest of us that they are willing to drive around 2 ton vehicles, usually at high speed, while intoxicated, what will make them suddenly become responsible citizens when they have a gun?

    9) If there truly are people demonizing gun safety, I am dubious, it is a tiny group of people. They, if they exist, don’t get to control what we do.

  134. Our minister (yes I go to church also) tells us every week we should love one another, refrain from sin and pray without ceasing. Yet, mod tot us sin every day, forget to love each other as we should and heaven knows we all need to pray more. The fact that we do not do those things is not because of a failure not he part of our minister to lead on these issues.

    “I was merely pointing out the foolishness of the federal policy on firearms.”

    Nope. You were changing the subject to something completely unrelated and trying to score points. There is no relentless prattle of new restrictions. Gun liberties are increasing.

  135. 1) A gun is an inanimate object. The violence is CAUSED by a person.

    2) there is no national effort NOW. The anti0rights bigots have lost in that arena. State efforts are bad enough.

    3) When he stops pretending that gun owners already advocate for and teach gun safety and asks an actual question, instead of making insults pretending to be questions….we’ll answer them.

    4) Actually that IS our position. The problem is that the health professionals want to dispense advice on a subject that they are not trained in and that they get their info from anti 2nd amendment sources.

    5) Yes…. securing guns is a good idea. The problem is that anti-rights people want to set up laws mandating it and enforcing that with police visits.

    6) Most hunters do wear safety gear. Those that don’t…. well…as you say…Darwin wins.

    7) We don’t mind a discussion on the merits of “smart guns.” We object to legal mandates that demand that ALL guns meet that standard after the first one, regardless of quality or commonsense. See New Jersey laws. We don’t mind letting the market bankrupt any company that sells such unreliable, dangerous, underpowered gimmicks.

    8) No..you know that he’s not advocating that. One can actually call the cops anytime one thinks that someone is danger to them self or others. The problem is that anti-rights people want rights infringed without due process.

    9) Of course its not known or understood. The gun control fanatics have demonized anything to do with guns, including gun safety.

  136. Actually, I have spent the better part of the last decade working in low-income communities. If the preachers in those areas are transmitting positive messages as you propose, then not a lot is getting through. Is there any doubt any more that the disintegration of the black family has everything to do with the culture of criminality that dominates inner city black communities? If there is, I am sure Senator Moynihan is turning over in his grave.

    I never said I was opposed to making guns safer (whatever that means, and it apparently means many things), but I would oppose legislating buyers’ choices. Let it be a market decision. If people want to buy a “safer” firearm, let that be their choice, without forcing that choice on everyone.

    I was merely pointing out the foolishness of the federal policy on firearms. On the one hand we get the relentness prattle of new restrictions on guns and on the other, we have the federal goverment effectively giving them away.

  137. 1)Yes it is caused by guns. I keep my .357 for self defense rather than a baseball bat because guns are much better at killing people. Ok, I keep my tactical knife also, but guns are the all time best portable killing machines ever.

    2) You can own as many guns as you want and have as much ammunition as you want in most areas of the country. If you follow the legal decisions, the real decisions and not the edited versions, they are all trending towards more liberty for gun owners. There are a few locales that still seek to further limit gun ownership, but there is no serious, national level effort to take away guns.

    3) If you don’t want to respond to his question, don’t.

    4) A lot of us do. However, you really don’t need 3/4 inch groupings to be able to talk about gun safety. Just bringing up the topic has some probability of helping in a lot of situations. (Physicians who don’t know how to swim also talk with parents about pool safety.)

    5) How long does it take a kid to shoot a gun they find casually stored? But, to answer your question there are a lot of nice gun safes that you can open very quickly. If you truly unaware that these exist let me know and I will be bald to give you the name brand of the one I use.

    6) I have to agree with you here. Let Darwin win. However, I don’t really want to end up paying for their medical care so I hope we can find some way to make that happen.

    7) Yes, the smart guns have some issues. I don’t think that precludes a discussion.

    8) So you are advocating that we should ignore those who are obviously having emotional issues and also own guns? It is a delicate topic, but I would rather address it than ignore it.

    9) A nice program. Unfortunately, a lot of schools don’t know about it or are apprehensive, maybe with some minor justification. Having attended a number of NRA courses, I honestly don’t know if any of the instructors are capable of just teaching gun safety w/o going rabid on the topic of gun control and gun rights. Anyway, it hardly seems sufficient. A single event rawly stays with kids. It needs to be reinforced.

  138. “should also spend some time talking about the value of intact families, creating a community culture that rewards and venerates work, and helping young people finish school to boost their economic viability.”

    They do. You are either ignorant or willingly stupid about how others behave.

    ” Let’s not forget this administration’s hallmark firearms achievement, Fast and Furious, which released 2,000 weapons, many already used in crimes”

    This is very disappointing. You don’t want to talk about issues to make guns safer, you just want to change the subject and bring up other talking points. As a gun owner (former member of our base pistol team while in the military) and physician, I know that we could do things to make them safer. I also know that it will never happen since people like you will quickly change the topic and avoid serious discussion.

  139. Hahaha! Art, buddy! you ramble about “lack of funding and inability to secure tenure.” Of course that’s what you and “your kind” want: gifts and security.

    Bloomberg, Gates, doctors, ministers, sporting goods salespeople and other community leaders so concerned with firearms would do better to focus on mental health and not inanimate objects.

    I mean really. Medical errors kill 10 times as many people as all gun deaths combined yet we hear hardly a peep about them.

    IMO, Vik was too kind to you. You do impress me as a “weenie” (your label for yourself, not mine)

  140. Great job, thanks Nicki!!

    maybe the kale-crunchers need to read “More Guns, Less Crime” by John Lott.

    I do not hunt, but I damn sure own guns. The ER where I worked for many years was in a very rough, urban neighborhood in a very large, crime-infested American city. EVERY SINGLE ER PHYSICIAN was packing, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

    Do you really want to know why? criminals shooting it out with the police in the parking lot of our facility. Our nursing supervisor kidnapped and raped. Doctors cars broken into and/or stolen. Crime within the hospital, i.e., equipment stolen, people assaulted.

    The cops were actually great, they responded in seconds to any true emergency at our facility, but they were not faster than bullets shot from a criminal’s AK-47.

  141. Wow… condescending jerk much?

    Someone offers an alternative view to your “kale crunching, fitbit wearing hordes of public health types” who cannot help but hysterically ascribe human traits to an inanimate object, and you have to come back with snide derision?

    To be sure, Art, “buddy,” no you are not capable of prying anyone’s guns from their warm blooded grip. But make no mistake – when you “public health types” parade your medical authority as credibility on the gun issue, people who genuflect at the altar of your so-called “eruditeness,” will cite you as authorities on the issue.

    So, to refute some of your histrionics…

    1) Carnage is not CAUSED by guns. We analysts understand that using the passive voice in this manner serves those with an agenda well to obfuscate the problem. The carnage is caused by criminals, and those who are ignorant and irresponsible on the proper handling of firearms.

    2) “There is no political movement to take away anyone’s guns.” – Actually, you’re wrong there. There was a federal assault weapons BAN, which, even by the New York Times’ own admission served merely to ban cosmetic features that had nothing to do with actual fatality rates. Until very recently guns were BANNED in certain cities such as Washington, DC, and in many other locales, you have to ask permission from sometimes unwilling government authorities to exercise your basic right to keep and bear arms.

    3) “Do public health folks have anything to offer that might reduce the mayhem while letting you hunt deer or shoot partridge or blast targets or whatever it is you and your son like to do with your guns?” — The Second Amendment is not about hunting, Art, “Buddy.” If you have any doubt about this, you should read the documents written by the men who founded this nation.

    4) “How about encouraging doctors, ministers, sporting goods salespeople and other community leaders to learn about and then talk about gun safety?” — The key here is LEARN about gun safety. Most doctors and other public health professionals with whom I have spoken don’t know which way the business end of a rifle points. When you learn the intricacies of using these tools, I might give some credibility to you when you discuss them. Otherwise, it’s much like turning to your plumber for a vasectomy. It might be cheaper, but I don’t recommend it.

    5) “How about greater efforts to get gun owners to lock up their guns and ammo properly.” — Do tell me about proper storage for a tool of self defense, Art “Buddy.” Tell me how long it takes to unlock your pistol and load it during a home invasion. Have you ever experienced such an event in your safe, lily-white community? Didn’t think so.

    6) “How’s about getting hunters to wear the right high-visibility gear.” — I’m all for it, but much like with seat belts, there are some folks who just don’t wear it, and won’t. You going to fine them? Throw them in jail for violation of safety rules?

    7) “Is there any merit to making guns safer including ‘smart’ guns?” — The fact that you even ask that question shows your ignorance on the issue. There has been plenty of discussion on the topic, and there are some serious safety concerns with your “smart guns.” Until you get properly educated and informed on the topic, you have no credibility to speak on the matter, and yet here you are, hiding behind your “medical professional” shield and bloviating about things you obviously know nothing about.

    8) “Can we teach people to call the cops when they know there is a gun in the house of someone who is mentally ill or under a restraining order?” Oh, so everyone is now a mental health professional? Everyone knows who is under an RO, or are we relying on ESP to tell us when is a good time to report your neighbor?

    9) “A little training for kids about what to do if they find a gun?” – It’s called Eddie the Eagle. Look it up, “buddy.”

    In other words, Art. You obviously have no credibility on this issue, and your little sneering note toward Mr. Khanna shows you to be a supercilious, arrogant wad.

    Have a nice day.

  142. When I was first alerted to this post, I was very curious about it and more than willing to engage an evidence-based debate, which, we are now repeatedly lectured, is the way we will make health policy going forward.

    Alas, when I read it, I was reminded of Gertrude Stein’s assessement of her hometown, Oakland, CA: “there’s no there there.”

  143. I guess when all a so-called ethicist has to offer the debate is derision and ridicule of his opponent, he might wish to reconsider publishing at all.

  144. Charles Vacca’s death was a tragedy that deeply affected two families. His judgment error, allowing a 9-year-old girl to fire an automatic weapon, cost him his life and who knows what it will cost her and her family emotionally and psychologically. No one knows yet how his death will change practices at gun ranges. While I wish Mr. Vacca had made a different decision at the range on that day, I credit him for the kind of family he raised. His kids have sent the girl a video letter talking about how they grieve for her, which makes for a stark contrast to this remarkably churlish use of the event as a point of derision.

    I thank Art for reiterating all my points about the critical role education plays in gun safety. I will go a step farther than he does — the ministers Art points to, many of whom likely lead congregations in poor, urban communities that are predominantly minority and plagued by violence — should also spend some time talking about the value of intact families, creating a community culture that rewards and venerates work, and helping young people finish school to boost their economic viability. Oh, the schools stink? Well, then expand the dialogue about charter schools, magnet schools, and school choice.

    I’ll wager anytime all those things will do much more to alter the environmental dynamics that drive criminal gun violence than the playschool policymaking of assault weapons bans and similar legislative detritus that clog already dysfunctional state houses and the Congress. Maryland banned so-called Saturday Night Specials in 1988, and 26 years later Baltimore remains one of our most unsafe cities. Ironically, the day after my essay, the lordly NY Times published an essay acknowledging that the assault weapons ban amounted to nothing. The essay ended with this observation by crime prevention expert David Kennedy of John Jay College: “A closer look at the social networks of neighborhoods most afflicted, he says, often shows that only a small number of men drive most of the violence. Identify them and change their behavior, and it’s possible to have an immediate impact.”

    Regarding keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill, I will speak directly from experience. My father was deeply mentally ill, so much so that he was effectively dysfunctional and completely socially isolated from the time I was 7, until his death 30 years later. He had suicidal ideation. And, although part of a long line of military officers, he did not own firearms. I am quite certain that my mother would have never allowed one in our home because she understood full well what she was dealing with. Should we raise awareness of this dilemma? Absolutely, but it must be done in a way that it is medically credible and respects the privacy and dignity of the people who need help while protecting the rest of us.

    Unfortunately, some of these steps will, by necessity, require government participation, and recent experience suggest we should tread lightly. Let’s not forget this administration’s hallmark firearms achievement, Fast and Furious, which released 2,000 weapons, many already used in crimes, into the hands of criminals. And, just this week, we are treated to the news that the Obama administration is sending armored vehicles, military rifles, and grenade launchers to school districts…who don’t want them, can’t secure them, and did not ask for them in the first place.

  145. I’ve proposed that we might repeal the antiquated 2nd Amendment, just to shift the burden of proof more rationally.

    I’ve gotten repeated death threats for doing so.

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