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The White House Healthcare Summit – Democrats 0 Republicans 0

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There is politics and there is policy.

On the policy front what we saw today was the same exchange of the old talking points we have watched for a longtime. No progress was made toward any kind of health care bill. That is no surprise–this was never going to be the place to
fashion any kind of compromise.

At the end the President asked the Republicans if it was worth it to spend another month or six weeks trying to come to some agreement. I am glad he did that. I am not optimistic but a “yes” from the Republicans would be the right answer for the country.

On the political front this was a win for Republicans because it was a draw. Granted, they have a very thin health care agenda but all they had to do was hold their own over the course of the day. Politically, if not on policy, they did that. No minds were changed in the room and likely none out in the country. The left will still say get on with passing this, those on right will say kill it, and the majority of critical swing voters will still be concerned that the Democratic bills are going too far too fast in the face of the Great Recession. This is the biggest reason I don’t hold out a lot of hope there will be a lot of Republican willingness to come to the table–at least before the November elections.

Ironically, this “bipartisan summit” may have just increased the political cynicism in the country because it went off so predictably.

Most importantly, I don’t see the President and the Democratic leadership having accomplished their real goal: To “stiffen the spines” of the moderate Democratic votes they need to ram their health care agenda through using reconciliation rules.

A week from now, I expect the polls will still show only about the same 40% approval rating for the Democratic health care agenda and the moderate Democrats won’t have the political cover they need to vote for a reconciliation strategy.

Unless the President gets a positive response from the Republicans on his offer to spend a few weeks trying for a bipartisan bill, it will be on to “Plan B” for the Democrats.

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Someday i felt tied,then i walked and walked…

Tracy
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Tracy

Does anyone remember when you paid for insurance and then never saw a bill for going to the doctor…you paid for your insurance and that was all. You maybe had to pay extra for a private room when you were in the hospital but that was it. You and your doctor decided what was best in the way of treatment. But rising costs made insurance rates go up and people complained…next came some hair brain idea about HMO’s and PPO’s. Now I have to check to see if my doctor is on the “list” and if I need a “specialist”… Read more »

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jd I would further argue, not in a yelling manner though, that the equal protection clause was meant specifically to prevent the vote buying we see today. The Cornhusker kickback and Louisana Purchase undermine democracy at its core.

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Nate

jd in regards to the success of socialist vs libertarian states which of these 10, 20 or 40 successful countries would you say are improving on their standard of living? Liberalism doesn’t kill a nation overnight, it slowly strangles it over generations. Take Greece for example, they are clearly without doubt on their way to collapse, Debt exceeds GDP, every indicator is they must make changes…and Unions are protesting in the Street for Status Quo. The fall of Rome didn’t happen over night and it was a great empire up till the end, that doesn’t change what killed it though,… Read more »

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Does anyone ever learn anything in these debates? I think Margalit has evolved some the longer she has posted. Not sure anyone else has. There have been dozens of howlers in this thread, and if I were unemployed I might even have the desire to engage them all. As it is, I’ll just point out again that the failure of both private and public insurance to control costs is primarily a failure to control the cost of health care. Obvious, yes, but it bears repeating. Both fail for similar reasons that come down to public attitudes and expectations (and lack… Read more »

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“You live in a fantasy world that is determined by factually unsupported extreme rightist ideology.” Typical Wendell, wild claims and not one example to back it up. Argue any point I made Wendell….you can’t, you can’t even man up and debate a single thing I said. Grow a pair then post buddy. “If you aren’t hung as an enemy of the people.” Didn’t I read in the Liverpool Care Pathways that hanging was the preferred treatment for old age and many other age related conditions? “But pretending that certain markets such as the market for medical services lend themselves to… Read more »

Dr David
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It’s time Americans aggressively voice their support for a bipartisan approach. Call your congressman today and demand that the Healthy Americans Act (Wyden Bennett) get its hearing!

Wendell Murray
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archon41: Nate is the contributor here who raises ideological irrelevancies. Not only that but socio-economic systems are complicated. If one wants to characterize portions of the USA healthcare system as competitively determined versus administered, that has some meaning. But those characteristics are largely devoid ideological content which almost never serves any positive role in any case. Those characteristics represent mechanisms for pricing and bridging supply and demand. I suspect that anyone without a special political or ideological axe to grind but otherwise across the political spectrum would prefer see to supply and demand for services or products met by a… Read more »

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And here we have, writ large, a demonstration of why attempts at “bipartisanship,” “dialogue” and “compromise” are futile. If you aren’t on board with the agenda, you are a sociopath, and need to STFU.
Don’t worry, Nate, you’ll get your fair share of monopsonized health care, equal, uniform and precision cut. If you aren’t hung as an enemy of the people.

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“You cant regulate a free market system.” Healthy free markets are, by definition, regulated, at least according to Adam Smith. For example, automotive market has always been regulated: you can’t sell a car unless it meets several regulations. The food market is regulated: you cannot sell food that does not meet certain quality regulations. Most markets are similarly regulated. We have anti trust laws. Basically the government’s job is to make sure the consumer is not being sold dangerous stuff and that sellers don’t collude to set unfair prices. So why is it that it becomes a Stalinist horror story… Read more »

Wendell Murray
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Nate: You live in a fantasy world that is determined by factually unsupported extreme rightist ideology. Your praise of capitalism and condemnation of other social systems are laughable. I doubt you even know how to define capitalism and its characteristics, both good and bad. Still unclear what it is that you do for a living, but you should stick to reporting on the details of that rather than extrapolating from your specific occupational experience to grand theories about society or economics. At least those details add something positive to this weblog. The rest is utter nonsense and uses up electrons… Read more »

Peter
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“This president is great at pointing at problems but his greatest problem his is that is an idealogue.” Not that GW Bush was or the GOP is of course. He’s only one man, not king and not god. He can’t even control his own party, let alone Congressional leaders elected by their state voters. Do you want a king? “And the governments emergence and evasive policies into our economy have caused nothing but harm.” You might want to look at how a lack of government regualtion in the financial industry brought us this latest crisis. The “government” that started all… Read more »

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“but that is because industrial capitalism has been killed off by purely financial capitalism, which does not ever “trickle down” anything but debt.” There are 12-20 million illegal immigrants that would disagree with this. NOTHING in the history of man has brought more people out of poverty then capitalism and free markets. No soical engineering or liberal feel good program even scratches the surfce of the success of freedom. Wealth redistribution, as history has shown time and again, brings everyone down instead of raising everyone up. technically Moa, Pol Pot, and Stalin “helped” people. The problem is the tens of… Read more »

J.D. Dean
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J.D. Dean

You realize Reagan believed in trickle down economics.
And of course you also realize that socialism is just trickle down economics from a shallow water pot?
Id venture that you dont truly understand the trickle down theory. Few do.
You asked for a non liberal country that had been mildly successful.
Youre living in one.
The name of the problem is corruption among the government. Ya know how that happens? BIG GOVERNMENT!

J.D. Dean
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J.D. Dean

Yes, Obama is great at talking something to death. Thats really all hes got going for him in more ways than just a few. I dont understand why He repeats himself over and over concerning the problems with the HC system. How can you be alive and not ‘know’ what they are? This president is great at pointing at problems but his greatest problem his is that is an idealogue. And the governments emergence and evasive policies into our economy have caused nothing but harm. But just talk to a few people in finance. You cant regulate a free market… Read more »