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Prop 8 still reverberates, and bigotry is still with us

There’s a pretense from the anti (whoops!) pro-Prop 8 diehards that somehow this is not about them hating gay people. Rick Warren says that, as did Mike Huckerbee said when he ended his (clearly losing) conversation with John Stewart on The Daily Show.  Frankly I’d be happier if they just came out and admitted it.

In a portrayal of one of the most unpleasant sounding families I’ve heard about in some time, the LA Times has a couple of juicy quotes. And the unpleasant family and their equally unpleasant pastors essentially come out and say it.

The Bible is very, very clear . . . that that kind of perversion will not get people into heaven," Abel said. "They’re fallen people, broken people, hurting people."

SNIP

Brooklyn and her family believe that gay activists have unfairly painted Proposition 8 supporters as "hate-mongers and bigots."

Hmm…who’s painting who?

But I’m always amazed that while caring so much about what happens in the afterlife, the fundamentalists among us are so determined to ruin other people’s lives in this space-time continuum.

CODA: The ridiculousness of the “resting on what the Bible says” position is of course best revealed in this classic, which ended up being used in a memorable scene in The West Wing.

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James
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James

The left has no problem understanding being against the war, but supporting the troops, but can’t handle a segment of America that has no problem with homosexuals, but hates homosexual conduct. Americans are getting wise to the minority practice of branding anyone who doesn’t agree with them as bigots and homophobes.

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Not a stooge

” .. It is a disagreement over human nature at the root of all of big disagreements about health care, economics, and policy.”
A famous quote: “you can’t explain what you want to a 14-year-old, you’re fooling yourself.”
So, in a simple terms: do LGBT people want marriage just to get Blue Cross (health care/economics/policy) for pals? And green cards?
Hmm .. then to fix this, just end Blue Cross for the married spouse? And the married-spouse I.C.E. advantage?
Hmm ..

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The recreant and misled anonymiss says: > According to the biblical interpretation of the > nation’s largest religious denomination (Catholics), > it is wrong for ordained clergy to be anything but > celibate. No. The Roman Rite’s discipline is first of all a prudential matter (cf I Corinthians 8:7-8 and 32-35) with a deeper meaning as well, but it’s not wrong to have a married clergy. There are 20-odd other Rites in the Catholic Church and their disciplines vary. Even so the Roman Rite will sometimes conditionally ordain a married convert (most recently and famously from Anglicanism) to the priesthood,… Read more »

Will.I.Am
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Will.I.Am

” .. If we allow priests to marry, what next? Polygamy? Incest?”
Uh .. psst! Protestants allow clergy to marry. This is like genius Nancy Pelosi claiming Roman Catholic bishops are divided on abortion — then getting a letter from the Pope telling her to read her diocese newsletter.
And a lot of people wonder, if marriage laws are changed — will there be polygamy? Can Barney Frank marry a dog? How about a dog AND a cat? To get them medical care?
BTW: what does this weirdness have to do with health care? Economics? Policy?

Rob
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Rob

Can anyone here tell me there’s too much love in the world? That there’s too much commitment to one another? That we can pick and choose – by government fiat – which people are allowed to love which? And which can commit to be married? Is it about the icky sex? It must be, since that’s the only difference, that’s the abhorrence, that’s the sense of disgust. Get over it. There’s not enough love in the world already, and what two consenting adults do for harmless pleasure in private is none of your business, nor mine. Unless, of course, your… Read more »

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It’s fine if Rick Warren wants to live by his own interpretation of the bible. My problem is when he thinks his Church’s interpretation of the bible should be American law. Frankly, I think Pastor Warren should be a little more nervous about this, too. He is an ordained minister. According to the biblical interpretation of the nation’s largest religious denomination (Catholics), it is wrong for ordained clergy to be anything but celibate. Rick Warren’s marriage is untraditional marriage. It violates the bible. It threatens to undermine society. If we allow priests to marry, what next? Polygamy? Incest? If American… Read more »

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J-O-N STEWART
” .. And he thinks Canada’s in the EU, showing that he missed geography class as well as logic class the day they taught them in high school!”
Spain’s in Canada now? Brilliant, sir. Just like J-O-N Stewart — not J-O-H-N. Excellent reporting skills.
Congratulations on showing your obvious “bigotry” to the world. Can’t wait to see the reaction of advertising/marketing sponsors. You’ll get treated the same way you treat others.

Matthew Holt
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Bev’s right. It probably doesn’t do much good asking the religious nuts following this to try to answer a logical question. Although I did think that they would just go quiet and have the rest of us assume that they can’t put a logical sequence of thoughts together. As it is, instead Ernest wrote his little sequence and removed all doubts.
And he thinks Canada’s in the EU, showing that he missed geography class as well as logic class the day they taught them in high school!

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JUST ABSURD
” .. The Dept of Homeland security will NOT grant a fiancee visa to a man coming to join a man in civil union. That’s reserved for people getting married ..”
Yeah — and the EU doesn’t ape USA laws, either. So what — who’s the bigot there, God?
Yes, we know — tolerance for thee, not anyone else.
That dog will never, ever hunt.
Anyone who thinks it is so lousy in the U.S. is free to move to the E.U., where it is perfect and wonderful. And you’re forced to do what your parents did.

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bev M.D.

Matthew; I just want to thank you and commend you for sticking to your views in what I have learned is a losing “proposition” (pun intended, haha), and that is, arguing with religious people. Don’t you know that they already know everything, and therefore any discussion is useless? Personally, I think all legal concepts of “next of kin” be it through blood relation or “marital” relation, should be abolished and replaced with the necessity for a specific legal designation of each of one’s relatives, heirs, personal partners, etc. After all, why should anyone have any legal rights just by being… Read more »

Gary Levin
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There are no winners in this argument. Homosexuals are now receiving the backlash by the activism of some very obnoxious people, gay or otherwise. If they are gay, then are the rest of us ‘not gay’ or just ‘unhappy”. It has been studied that most people, man or women have some homosexual experimentation during early adolesence. Those who become homosexual do so because of learned behavior and/or emotional events which occur in their life with same or opposite sex. It comes down to who do they trust more…same sex or opposite sex… There may be some genetic component but the… Read more »

Matthew Holt
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As well as being too chicken to use their real name or email PhobiaPhobe is also wrong. The Dept of Homeland security will NOT grant a fiancee visa to a man coming to join a man in civil union. That’s reserved for people getting married. Equally they will not recognize men married to men legally in other countries like Spain and Canada as “one family” when they visit the US for customs and immigration purposes. So Phobiaphobe and his ilks defense of the “word” has real consequences denying rights–which they enjoy–to other human beings, who I remind them are equally… Read more »

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Phobiaphobe

“Welcome to the bigots, justifying themselves in “majority opinion.” This may include Obama’s, for which he is dead wrong.” Maybe you don’t mean me, since I didn’t make any statement about my view being validated by others. However, if you don’t believe in voting to determine what stands, then Obama’s election can also be questioned. What I think is that activists for gay marriage/rights want to make it clear that they are above any ridiculous ruling and the meaning of language. They should be able to change language and author confusion and misunderstanding, since language that we all understand means… Read more »

Brad
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Brad

Rather than commenting on the topic of the post – my first thought is, how does this relate to healthcare??

Ernest
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Ernest

” .. Or just be brave, and admit that you hate gay people and want to discriminate against them. At least you’d be being honest.”
OMG! You have accused “The Messiah” and African-American churches of gay-hate! How dare you!
J’accuse!
Be honest!