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POLICY: Slackers of the zeros

Men Not Working, and Not Wanting Just Any Job and if you parse the article, it’s the employment-based health care system that has many of them stuck in this rut—many are on disability waiting for Medicare to kick in. They won’t take a job that doesn’t have health benefits. But of course they’re not officially unemployed because they’re not officially looking for work. (That’s a trick Reagan learned from Thatcher BTW)

Just another drip drip drip on the road to the big reform debate in a few years…

 

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jason d
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jason d

“1. None of the men in the article are on disability.” I dont care, they are still lazy asses “2. What right do you have to tell people how to spend their money?” What right do these people have to be lazy and then in 20 years expect a government bailout to float their retirement becaue they pissed away everything they have with this foolishness? You dont htink these same people will be crying for government aid when the ride is over and they dont have a penny to live on? “3. One of the men is working under the… Read more »

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Let me try to put it more clearly. The trend in disability is well-known and has research behind it as to what is happening. This is a long-term trend stretching back through several economic cycles. The drop in work-force participation for men 30-54 is surprising to most and recent starting only in 2001/2 and not understood by many at this point although some suggestions have been made as to the cause. No researcher has suggested that disability is a good explanation for the “missing men” and if you read the article carefully, you will find that several labor experts are… Read more »

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elliottg

Matt, The fact that this is in the article is just bad reporting. Go to the BLS and look at the appropriate series for men in the workforce. Then go to the SSA site and look at the disability stats. What you will find is a slow and steady rise in disability (like I said for all demographics) from 1990 to the present. What you’ll find in the BLS data is a sharp break in work force participation for men in 2001. That would be expected due to the recession, but while you’ll see the expected recovery for women and… Read more »

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Matthew Holt

Well none of these ones are but the article is pretty clear “But the fastest growing source of help is a patchwork system of government support, the main one being federal disability insurance, which is financed by Social Security payroll taxes. The disability stipends range up to $1,000 a month and, after the first two years, Medicare kicks in, giving access to health insurance that for many missing men no longer comes with the low-wage jobs available to them. No federal entitlement program is growing as quickly, with more than 6.5 million men and women now receiving monthly disability payments,… Read more »

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elliottg

Wow Jason, why would anyone hire an idiot like you? Despite your blustering bravado about how you would work as a dishwasher first, I doubt you would and if you tried, I doubt you could hack it. 1. None of the men in the article are on disability. 2. What right do you have to tell people how to spend their money? 3. One of the men is working under the table (the ex-con), the other takes care of his 3 children and freelances when he can get work, and the third has written two novels. Misguided maybe, but hardly… Read more »

jason d
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jason d

I read that NYT article and it made me sick. The men they profile in that article arent disabled, they are just lazy asses. They are drawing down on their savings, remortgaging their home over and over again, just so they can stay at home and do nothing. All I hear from them is a bunch of excuses “we’re too good to wash dishes, I cant work that hard, etc etc” What a bunch of lazy punks. If I got laid off and couldnt find any other job besides a dish washer, you’d better damn sure believe I’d be signing… Read more »

jason d
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jason d

why should people work when the government makes it entirely convenient and happy life just staying at home doing nothing all day?
You think its bad here, try Europe. In Europe you can get paid up to 40,000 a year to stay at home and do absolutely nothing. Thats why their unemployment rate is double the USA. Its very comfortable to be unemployed over there.

anonymous
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I’m sorry but in this day and age there is just no excuse for this kind of thing. Start your own online service. Get a sales job. Make salsa and sell it online. Move to another state. Write a self help book for other slacker zeroes like yourself. Do something to make a living. Do anything.
The healthcare issue is real. But so is the sloth issue!
Granted there are exceptions – and many of them – but this is sad.

Barry Carol
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Barry Carol

My understanding is that people who qualify for disability benefits under Social Security also qualify for Medicare once they have been on disability for two years. It’s amazing to me that the number of people on disability has skyrocketed since 1990 while the number of physically demanding jobs has declined (due both to a gradual economic shift away from manufacturing and increased mechanization) while workplaces have become both safer and environmentally cleaner. I think it is, indeed, culturally much more acceptable to be on disability than it once was.

elliottg
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elliottg

I think you’re reaching on this one. Being in the situation described in the article, employer-based healthcare is perhaps the single biggest motivator to finding a job, but the jobs are just not there. The increase in disability is more closely tied to a cultural shift where it’s ok to be on disability, employers are not willing to tolerate lower productivity (a lot of violations of ADA go unreported), and a lessening of the stigma of mental disease.