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POLICY: A Riposte to Physicians Who Post on THCBBy the Industry Veteran

The Industry Veteran joins us this afternoon in the latest in THCB’s series by guest posters, following up on excellent posts by veteran financial journalist  Maggie Mahar and orthopedic surgeon turned talk show host Eric Novack. The Veteran found Eric’s comments on the health care system inspiring — to put it mildly. They set him to thinking about the true role of physicians in the healthcare system and in society at large. Needless to say, as always on THCB, his words are his alone.     
    
   

On this sunny morning I thought I might take time away from more productive pursuits to answer some of the typically narrow minded and self-serving posts of the physicians who attend THCB in the same way that dogs raise their hind legs at convenient lampposts.  The object of my opening disdain is someone by the name of Dr. Eric Novack.  Alas, Maggie Mahar demolished his drivel in a more cordial manner.  Novack’s transparently phony views suggest an analogy to Samuel Johnson’s comment about a dog walking on its hind legs.  Physicians writing about politics, health care economics or social policy are similar to this canine trick in that it is almost never done well; the wonder is that it is done at all.

Other physicians seeking to foist their miscreant views on THCB usually content themselves with illogical or poorly informed letters that disagree with some of my posts.  I don’t wish to be too caustic in responding to their blatant ignorance.  After all, they spent years performing brute rote memorization and other, low cognitive tasks, so their distorted thinking is a product of their trained incapacity.  While it isn’t terribly useful to disparage plumbers for being poor cooks, the pipe cutters who consider themselves master chefs despite an inability to boil a potato do merit some contempt.

A few themes of disagreement and bewilderment emerge from the physicians’ posts.  One chap, for example, asks about the “de-skilling” reform that I urge upon medical practice.  I realize that memorizing bones and ways to add carbonyls to benzene rings doesn’t leave much time for understanding history, so I’ll try to provide a remedial lesson.

In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the pace and substantive nature of industrial production was largely directed by skilled craftsmen on the production floor.  This situation stymied the interests of managers who considered matters of volume, configuration, quality and cost as matters for their control. Their solution, as implemented by Henry Ford and others, consisted of the assembly line for which workers with far less skill could be inserted or removed as interchangeable parts.  Labor historians have actually documented many periods of de-skilling throughout the industrial revolution.

As applied to medical practice, the process consists of pushing the scope of practice, discretion and competence down the food chain.  Primary care practitioners should do a fair amount of the things that only specialists do at present.  Nurse practitioners should assume responsibility for many primary care functions, PAs should get other responsibilities, and so on.  Other health care professionals such as pharmacists and nurses should also assume more physician responsibilities.  Of course, physicians for years have berated such “assembly line medicine,” “therapeutic triads” and other labels for the process, despite the fact that studies have shown it produces better outcomes and lower costs.

Other affirmers of the Hippocratic oath who seek to recoup the costs of their medical education from their first four patients find fault with my call to feminize medicine and increase the number of foreign medical graduates.  They claim that even now, 50% of practitioners are women and most hospital physicians are FMGs.  Their figures are possibly correct, but their claim is equivalent to saying that Hispanics, blacks, Asians, poor whites and the aged infirm run the US because there are so many of them.  I merely ask these disingenuous posters to examine the ranks of service chiefs at major teaching hospitals, the senior faculty at top medical schools and the key opinion leaders who speak on behalf of the Big Pharma companies at medical conventions.  Only small percentages of these big, swinging schwanzes are women or FMGs.

A few years ago I systematically examined the reasons for this paucity of women in the medical profession’s key positions.  Basically, the motivations and the personality profiles of influential physicians approximate those of senior executives at the largest 1000 companies.  The desire for wealth, status, power, ego and other forms of self-aggrandizement predominate.  For some of the same reasons that the numbers and influence of women in the corporate boardrooms remain small, their sway in the medical profession is also puny.  In most cases, women are just the working stiffs and peons of the profession.  That stratification of medicine won’t do.  I’m talking about making medicine a feminine profession in the same way as elementary school teaching, nursing and public librarianship.  That will incentivize you egocentric males and the small number of female-impersonating women in the profession to ply your greedy ways in business without the special dispensations that society grants to physicians.

Finally, I don’t know whether I’m amused or nauseated by the posts from physicians who seek to justify their claims to unconscionable incomes by citing the many years they spent in school and the related costs.  Along the same line, a cardiologist at the American College of Cardiology meeting told me that the country should guarantee cardiologists a starting salary of $250,000, at a minimum, because they had to forego the enjoyments of their years between the ages of 20 and 30.

Well, according to the logic of THCB’s greedhead physicians, veterinarians sure get a raw deal because they spend quite a few years in training and receive only a fraction of MDs’ salaries.  Of course PhDs really take it up the sphincter, with all the years they spend in graduate school, a series of post-doc positions in indentured servitude, and then some really chancy prospects of even getting a job.

The lesson here is not like memorizing the steps of the Krebs cycle or the twelve cranial nerves, so I’ll take it slowly for sawbones readers.  No mnemonic devices or acronyms are required. 

One’s income in a market economy is not based upon years of schooling, contribution to society (whatever that means), or any other assessment of intrinsic worth.  Instead, labor is a product that seeks its economic rent in a competitive market and, like any other product, it captures whatever willing buyers will pay for it.

Of course, if one’s profession obtains a legal monopoly through state licensure and then chokes off the labor supply, buyers in the market will have to pay more for that particular labor.

Alas, the day proceeds and I can waste no more of it instructing arrogant, ignoramus physicians.  I charge by the hour and since I don’t make the return on equity of a Big Pharma company, I see no need to coddle your swinish asses.

As a parting shot, I see that Dr. Novack identifies himself as an orthopedic surgeon.  This information reminds me of an old axiom that made the rounds in the pharmaceutical industry several years ago.  Before the prevalence of Ken and Barbie reps, the ranks were smaller and populated by pharmacists and others with graduate degrees in the health sciences.  Many of these sales people used to complain about the fact that they needed to dumb down the detail presentations so drastically for some specialties.  That’s when one wag passed around the story about the procedure used by residency programs for selecting new people.  According to his apocryphal tale, teaching hospitals would take the bottom 10% of med school graduating classes and if people in this tier could bench press 200 pounds or more, they were taken into orthopedic programs.  Those unable to push the bar to arm’s length went into OB/GYN.  I suspect Dr. Novack had two nurturing nurses spotting for him and they raised the bar from both ends.  —  Industry Veteran

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“Oh, my, how this is funny. The responses here by all the thin-skinned, ego-ballooned docs merely prove the Industry Vet’s point. Bravo, Industry Veteran, for laying the bait and allowing the supercilious twits to ensnare themselves. You made my day.”
The only twits here are you pencil necks that sit behind a desk all day. You and the “Vet” are probably fat, bald and out of shape. Sucks to be you.
I am heading to the gym with the ortho doc to pump some iron. It is hard getting all the babes and making all the money.

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DrGrumpy

I’m an orthopedic surgeon. I defy Industry Vet’s venemous generalizations about docs in many ways. Just want to lament that IV’s excellent points are lost within a self-serving vitriol (and not really funny, IMHO) that tends to turn folks off. Off in the sense, that they lose interest in following childish posts that may contain good info, or lost in anger and ego defensive posturing as you can see in the above. I like the freedom of this blog, yet when it denegrates into annoying harangues designed to cheaply grap attention (like a loud fart in an elevator), I just… Read more »

joe blow
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joe blow

Industry Veteran, where are you????
He does this every time. Starts an inflammatory thread, and then runs away.
A true coward

John A.
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John A.

Having read the IV’s post and it’s commentary I am reminded of my sentiments after evenings of “debate” in a college dorm populated by sophemores. No enlightenment or resolution….just a lot of intesity fliging words at each other. Sure makes me wonder what a guy calling himself a veteran gets from this; but I now understand better how the sophomores gained practice on their way to becoming veterans…yet it seems the aqusition of wisdom is still pending.

Rick
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Rick

Oh, my, how this is funny. The responses here by all the thin-skinned, ego-ballooned docs merely prove the Industry Vet’s point. Bravo, Industry Veteran, for laying the bait and allowing the supercilious twits to ensnare themselves. You made my day.

smith j
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smith j

once again, “industry veteran” spews out ridiculous nonsense, and is nowhere to be found to defend his idiotic rant.
We have a term to describe these kinds of internet posters: TROLL

none
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none

yesterday I saved someone’s life. I wonder if “industry veteran” has ever done that. Perhaps his MCAT scores weren’t high enough.

Peter
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Peter

“Labor historians have actually documented many periods of de-skilling throughout the industrial revolution.” De-skilling creates a machine driven, mind numbing, automaton, boring workplace. Not I think what I would like to see in medicine. Think what cash registers that calculate your change have done to enhance the math skills of check-out clerks. We need more thinkers not more machine minders. Memorization does not create thinkers any more than computers do. “As applied to medical practice, the process consists of pushing the scope of practice, discretion and competence down the food chain. Primary care practitioners should do a fair amount of… Read more »

Matthew Holt
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Sorry html bug–the link about contributor guidelines is here
https://thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2005/01/contribute.html

Matthew Holt
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Hi all from the UK where I’m hiding out at my sister’s wedding–hence all the guest posting. No, I’m not “The Industry Veteran”–that’s very clear. I do know how he is, & he does have a great deal of health care industry experience. I give him and anyone else who wants it the ability to post anonymously–so long as they tell me who they are. That’s a policy that you can read by clicking on this link In his case if his various clients knew what he was saying (not so much in this post but in various others) it… Read more »

spike
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Well I thought it was funny, but then maybe that’s because I knew too many grade-grubbing pre-meds in college.
But I think it’s funny to see people say that doctors are the only ones that add value in the healthcare system. I thought they always complained about their administrative burden and wished that other people could take more of it off their shoulders so they could spend more time on patient care. Which is it?

Matt S.
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Matt S.

I’m sorry to ruin this love-fest, but The Industry Veteran certainly adds value. His throwback of medicine to the industrial revolution is something economists have been doing for years. Could it be that he knows something? I’m sorry, but as long as someone is adding value (with fact or humor, the latter of which no one here seems to have thus far), there’s no reason for this hostility. This is a blog on the internet. He’s a poster. He’s speaking his mind, and in an entertaining manner at that. And not all of what he says isn’t serious. Some of… Read more »

mjk
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mjk

Complete and utter crap …
What goes around comes around, buddy …
Notice how many people you have supporting you?
There’s a reason.

Eric Novack
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IV- when one does not have an argument… attack the messenger.
I would be more than happy to have a point by point debate with you about health policy… on two conditions:
1. no anonymous posts
2. another ad hominem attack and the debate is over
Since I am 110% certain you are incapable of following these simple ground rules, I will go back to enjoying my vacation.

pgbMD
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pgbMD

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