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HOSPITALS/TECH: Is the kiddie porn hysteria going too far?

You would expect Children’s Hospital in San Diego to be very, very nervous about anything to do with porn. After all, this is the place where apparently a nurse and a tech roamed free taking pornographic pictures of children, molesting them, and spreading the pictures on kiddie porn sites.

Wayne Albert Bleyle, 54, who was arrested March 8, has pleaded not guilty to molesting five patients. He also pleaded not guilty to distributing pornographic pictures of patients on the Internet. Christopher Alan Irvin, 32, a nurse who was arrested April 15, has pleaded not guilty to charges of molesting a 4-year-old girl and distributing child pornography.

And speaking from experience I know about second-hand, people do very, very foolish things on their work computers. But it seems that the latest news from San Diego Children’s may be a little over the top. So far three doctors have been suspended because one of them, while logged on to the hospital’s system from home, visited a porn site

Hanscom said using the access code to look at pornography would violate hospital policy whether the images were of adults or children. The access appears to have been on a home computer. Improper use of the code was discovered as a result of more vigorous auditing adopted after the arrests of the two hospital employees.

Now the key issue we don’t know is what type of porn site—and there is a huge legal as well as ethical difference between the secret chat-rooms where paedophiles trade pictures, and the Playboy online type sites. And of course whoever was logged into the hospital’s Internet access was dumb, dumb, dumb not to log out and go off to their own local ISP before looking for smut online. But let’s get real. A huge proportion of Americans look at porn online, and doctors are no different.

Assuming that this is a case of legal behavior at home, that was inappropriately sourced through the wrong ISP, you have to think that handing this over to the “Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, which includes local and federal agencies” and suspending three physicians and putting it in the newspaper, may be an over-reaction.

Did the hospital management not think to first have a quiet word with the physicians concerned to find out a) which one of the three was the guilty party and then b) have their IT staff and lawyers investigate what they saw, and discover whether their behavior was illegal or just stupid. And if was only the latter, then take some administrative action against them before ruining careers and getting law enforcement involved. Which if it was the former would clearly happen anyway.

Meanwhile, a reminder to all of you out there, make sure that you keep a private Internet connection, email server, et al away from your employer.

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  2. “Kiddie porn hysteria going too far”??!!!Exactly WHAT determines “too far” hmm? I guess it all depends on which end of the perverted P O S’s dick your on now doesn’t it?!! Texas has passed a new law making child rapists eligible for the DEATH PENALTY!! How about that for a topic?? LoL!”
    no one here has anything against capturing child pornographers, but these doctors could have been innocent.
    Tell me, if your internet browser suddenly jumped to a child porn site for apparently no reason, and you were ‘caught’ by FBI and thrown in jail, would that be fair?
    When an experienced computer user (not a hacker) gains access to your network, he can make your computer do anything including visit child porn sites or even attacking even more computer networks.
    This type of computer which is no longer in control of the owner is called a ‘zombie’ and obeys every command of the ECU. The problem is that the authorities are not up to date on zombies, completely ignore them and throw the innocent owner into jail.
    Would you like to go to jail? I know a few hackers which would love to mess with your network.

  3. “Kiddie porn hysteria going too far”??!!!Exactly WHAT determines “too far” hmm? I guess it all depends on which end of the perverted P O S’s dick your on now doesn’t it?!! Texas has passed a new law making child rapists eligible for the DEATH PENALTY!! How about that for a topic?? LoL!”
    no one here has anything against capturing child pornographers, but these doctors could have been innocent.
    Tell me, if your internet browser suddenly jumped to a child porn site for apparently no reason, and you were ‘caught’ by FBI and thrown in jail, would that be fair?
    When an experienced computer user (not a hacker) gains access to your network, he can make your computer do anything including visit child porn sites or even attacking even more computer networks.
    This type of computer which is no longer in control of the owner is called a ‘zombie’ and obeys every command of the ECU. The problem is that the authorities are not up to date on zombies, completely ignore them and throw the innocent owner into jail.
    Would you like to go to jail? I know a few hackers which would love to mess with your network.

  4. “Kiddie porn hysteria going too far”??!!!Exactly WHAT determines “too far” hmm? I guess it all depends on which end of the perverted P O S’s dick your on now doesn’t it?!! Texas has passed a new law making child rapists eligible for the DEATH PENALTY!! How about that for a topic?? LoL!

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    money for computer expert.
    I was forced to confess for possession of child porn. I got browser
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    This is my story in inquisition21.com. There is all information about case written by Irish writer Brian Rothery.
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    This is publication in Wired news
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    This is publication in Theregester
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/13/browser_hijacking_risks/
    Article in ZDnet
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    This is article in Washington Times, May 22, 2004
    There is information about my case.
    http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20040521-084242-5633rhtm
    This is publication in Globe and Mail
    http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040617.gttwhijac17/BNStory/Technology/
    Article in Crime research center:
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    Article in search security:
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    The same case overturned:
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    The problem for me now is to find lawyer, who can review the case. When I pleaded guilty, there were no any publications, like in wired news. This article was posted on hundreds sites, published in newspapers, discussed on many boards, and translated to many languages.
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    I just tryed to explain why there was plea agreement. Some people do not understand this. They asking questions like why admitted something you are not guilty of. Josef Stalin victims admitted to any crime just to exchance for easy death. Also you probably read Orwell ‘1984’
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  6. Wow! Based on the scanty description in this article, the hospital administration may have gone way over the top. If you have html turned on in your email, you can end up “visiting” a pornography site for purposes of the kind of monitoring it sounds like they were doing. I can’t imagine how they could suspend all three doctors without being subject to some sort of liability.

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