After the American Health Care Act

After the American Health Care Act

17
SHARE

DANIEL STONE, MD

The late UCLA Professor Richard Brown, once commented that the Clinton healthcare initiative failed because the status quo was everyone’s second choice. Some of that logic applies to today’s failure to vote on the AHCA. Additionally, no one ever lost money betting against the rollback of an established entitlement program.

The Republicans opponents of the ACA have not yet faced the fact that the reason coverage is so expensive is because the care is so expensive. You can’t have cheap insurance for expensive services. So, something “better and cheaper” was a never more than a slogan. That slogan showed the AHCA to be the bait and switch that it was.

Health insurance has evolved to serve two purposes; to protect against health related financial catastrophe and to finance care. The ACA, with its high deductibles does a better job with the former than the latter. (Although opponents give short shrift to the mitigation provided by the provision of preventive services without charge.) It will be hard to satisfy the diverse collection of stakeholders with anything much different.

This is another illustration of the fact that anything approaching universal coverage is challenging for the developed world’s outlier on healthcare cost. Medicare has around 15% lower costs than commercial plans. The only practical way out of the cost vs access quandary is to harness the commercial insurance overhead/waste/profit and direct it toward coverage.

So, to paraphrase Keynes, in the long run, we’re in both single payer and dead. It’s just a question of whether we’re all dead first or just some of us.

JOHNATHAN HALVORSON

My immediate reaction is that now they are going to nibble at the ACA for 4 years. I’d actually have preferred the House passed this monster of a bill, which the Senate would have rejected, and then had to answer for it in 2018.

Energy and Commerce committee is not going to rewrite the AHCA now and is instead turning to CHIP reauthorization (where they may sneak in ACA cuts) and exchange stabilization.

MICHAEL MILLENSON

I think Jonathan Chait’s piece in NY Magazine addresses a lot of the substantive issues very well, particularly noting high up the opposition of a broad array of conservative experts.

Let me comment briefly on a small political point. Trump issued an ultimatum asking for a vote, just like you’d do if you last paid attention to how Congress works during 8th-grade civics class. But, clearly, when it became clear they would lose, Trump Congressional allies who are more sophisticated explained to the White House why you didn’t want to expose GOP House members to casting a potentially toxic vote in a sure-to-lose cause, and so the president “requested” that the vote not be held; i.e., put the onus on himself, not Ryan.

Translation: Trump is learning how politics really works and is adjusting to reality. That will likely help him in the future.

BRADLEY FLANSBAUM

The central force behind the creation of the bill was reconciliation–not a formed policy nidus. Since the ACA, invoking the use of it (for any possible purpose within the rules) has taken on a radiant glow. In this case, it made for a shaky foundation on which the R’s constructed the bill. And faulty policy followed.

I am too confident I believe, but in future sessions, the use of this limited tool will be preceded with, “The INSERT PARTY HERE would be wise to learn the lessons of the of GOP 115th and take heed. Careless legislating soils undergarments.”

JOE FLOWER

A little rampant speculation here.

This moment, after the failure of Speaker Paul Ryan’s American Healthcare Act, is obviously a hinge point in Donald Trump’s Presidency and specifically in the future of healthcare in the United States.

If we are trying to imagine where this might go from here, a key question is: Can Trump learn? If he can learn, what might he be learning from this brutal experience?

Okay, okay, Trump is monumentally stubborn, hard-wired, and so on. See also: deluded. But in his career he has shown an ability to re-invent himself and adapt to realities, especially after his bankruptcies of the 1990s. When banks were no longer willing to lend to him, he found other (mostly Russian) lenders, re-shaped his business into deal-making trading on his outsize name, does the reality show thing to increase the cachet of that name, and so on. He can change, learn, adapt.

He just got whacked upside the head with a big clue stick. How he perceives the information carried by that clue stick might give us some sense of what happens next.

After consistently, literally for decades, backing universal healthcare of one kind or another (though without apparently really understanding the policy and cost implications), he campaigned for the Presidency on specific healthcare promises such as “We’ll take care of everybody, it’ll be way cheaper, you’ll love it.” For those who can’t afford it, he even promised, “the government’s gonna pay for it.” He repeated these promises even after his election. They appear to be something he actually believes in: Healthcare for everybody, inexpensive, with government help where necessary.

Then he won. This President famously does not get down in the weeds of policy and politics. He immediately delegated much of that weedy stuff to Vice President Pence, and the legislative part of it to Speaker Ryan. Starting in December he allowed them to lead him down a garden path to a bill that is the opposite of all his populist promises: Far fewer people covered, the poor much worse off, much leaner coverage, no real help for those who just can’t afford it.

Led by whom? Ryan and Pence, soon joined by his new Chief of Staff Reince Priebus and his new Health and Human Services Secretary Price. Trump agreed to back Ryan’s bill and Ryan’s process for getting it through Congress, apparently without really getting how opposite to his own instincts the bill was. According to the Washington Post, when Ryan introduced his bill on March 6, Trump asked his advisers, “Is this really a good bill?” — and continued asking the same question of them repeatedly over the coming 18 days, even as he ramped up the campaign to sell it to Congress and the American people. This shows in the nature of that campaign: He never campaigned publicly on the actual provisions of the bill, instead merely repeating his vague promises that it would all work out for the better. Even as he was trying his best to sell the hell out of it, he was realizing that it was a mistake, but by now he desperately needed the win.

In a March 15 interview, Fox News’ Tucker Carlson confronted Trump with the fact that according to analyses, the bill would be a huge tax cut to the very rich, while the people most hurt by the bill will be the very counties and populations that are his biggest fans. For once Trump did not try to misdirect or deny. He simply said rather sadly, “Oh, I know,” before going on to insist that the bill was preliminary, there was a lot of negotiation, that a lot of things would change when it got to the Senate…implying that it would change in a direction that would be less hurtful to his strongest followers

I found that amazing. This guy’s biggest goal in life is to be popular, admired, a winner. As a corollary, the highest value he sees in others is loyalty. These guys (Ryan, Pence, Priebus, Price) led him into a box canyon where he became the #BiggestLoser. And the Congressional Republicans, especially the Freedom Caucus, who repeatedly declare themselves his biggest fans, would refuse to stand with him.

His comments after the defeat were revealing in interesting ways. He of course said nice, complimentary, understanding things about everyone involved, even the Freedom Caucus. Okay, that’s boilerplate. He blamed Democrats for not supporting the bill. More nonsense boilerplate.

A couple of things stood out to me. He actually named what he learned. He said, “We all learned a lot. We learned a lot about loyalty. We learned a lot about the vote-getting process. We learned a lot about some very arcane rules…”

You hear that bit about loyalty? What I heard was seething rage at the Freedom Caucus that stood him up, and a total unwillingness to put himself in that position again, in hock to the whims of these ideologues who will not back him when he asks them to.

Second, he revealed a clear image of what happens next: Obamacare will “explode” and then they can build a better bill: “Perhaps the best thing that could happen is exactly what happened today, because we’ll end up with a truly great health care bill in the future after this mess known as Obamacare explodes.”

Third, he mentioned that this “truly great” bill would have to be bipartisan. It would have to be crafted with Democratic support. How much does he believe this? He mentioned it not once, not twice, but seven times.

So he 1) is clear that this was not a “truly great” bill, 2) believes that such a bill could be crafted, but 3) it would need, and it would get, Democratic support. This sounds like a bill much more in line with his populist “take care of everybody” rhetoric.

This sounds like he is learning something very big: He can’t depend on the Congressional Republicans to just bring him the votes. If he wants to accomplish healthcare reform, or his $1 trillion infrastructure plan, or anything else big, he needs to bring forward legislation that can get Democratic votes — because at least some of those Republicans think they have him on a string, and can make demands that he just has to meet. Can you imagine how much he hates that thought?

He is not down with the Freedom Caucus’ ideology, and he is much less tied to any ideology than he is to getting things done, being “the winner.” He also is probably very down on Ryan, he might fire Priebus, and he is likely less willing to rely on Pence to steer him.

To whom does he turn? To those who apparently were trying to steer him away from lashing himself to Ryan’s mast on healthcare, particularly Bannon and Cohn. Steve Bannon, the Prince of Darkness, who nonetheless has more populist leanings, and Gary Cohn, the guy to whom I wrote my recent open letter.

Cohn is a Democrat and a former president of Goldman Sachs. He is apparently whip smart but without a healthcare background — yet Trump had designated him the policy guy for healthcare. He has rapidly built a solid policy shop in the White House, and has been cautioning Trump against going all in on Ryan’s bill. Cohn’s briefings explain Trump’s late February comment that, “Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated.” (Did my letter actually reach him when I sent it to the White House? Did it helped Cohn in his search for answers and different directions? Possible. No way to tell, but the timing was right.)

Put that all together, connect the dots. Trump has actual populist desires about healthcare, he wants to be the people’s savior. He gets led down a garden path in the opposite direction, then gets beaten like an Army mule. He realizes that these people are not his friends. He says that he’s going to try something different, it will be something the Democrats would get on board for, and he looks forward to crafting a “truly great” healthcare reform with them.

We could well see Trump try to put together a winning bipartisan coalition in Congress on this and other issues to bypass Ryan and break the power of the Freedom Caucus. We could well see something from Trump much more like a Medicare-for-all, or a universal Medicaid base plus Medicare buy-in for people over 50, or other “public option” solutions.

Possible.

Niran al-Agba, MD

Joe, I totally agree with your response …. it is the reason I voted for him in the first place.  He is a “deal maker” and with the clearly drawn partisan lines, true progress will require pragmatism, compromise, and patience.  While he is short on patience, I suspect it is possible for him to learn a little of it and at least we have an opportunity to bring both sides together.  Time will tell, but I am hopeful.  His promise to come back around later and craft something with moderate Democrats and Republicans on both sides is very encouraging to me.  Of course, bypassing Ryan is never a bad thing   for almost any reason.

While I am not necessarily in favor of total universal health care, I am in favor of basic universal healthcare and believe this is the ultimate direction this country must go.  As to Jim’s point regarding the large number of healthy individuals required to support those with chronic illness, the bottom line is, we must ration and will end up rationing.  My hope is we use science and common sense, QALY or something along those lines so these decisions to treat or not are made with cool heads and hearts throughout.

Unfortunately, in the future every single person wanting a transplant or outrageously new chemotherapy is not going to be able to receive it without paying for it themselves and that is reality.  Now how to get the nation on board?

HAYWARD ZWERLING

To be a successful politician, one must be able to make “deals” with your opponents. This requires that one’s opponents “believe” the President’s statement which are made to them in private. Trump’s political and business experience is littered with deception.

STEVE FINDLAY

A poorly constructed bill, with bad policy substance from the get-go, met the end it deserved. Tortured politics and an inept President aided the demise.

I agree with Jonathan H that this is far from over, but of course it’s not clear what will (or politically can) happen next. Most likely nothing for a while in Congress….but Price and Verma have some big choice to make on stabilizing/helping the marketplaces as plans prepare to make their bids. Do that, or screw it and let things fall apart—as the president implied today. CMS already took some regulatory steps—a few of which could help but others of which will hurt consumers/enrollees. More steps are needed, and urgently.

I agree with Dr. Stone’s comments….

In keeping with almost everything else he has said since inauguration on any issue, Trump was deaf to the substantive issues that helped bring AHCA down in his comments today….and he was menacing in his threat to let the ACA “explode” at which point the Ds would come running to him for help to repeal and replace. Trump deserves the harsh judgement that will certainly come….since he never stuck to any philosophical or policy principles as the process unfolded….right up to the end. Shameless, even if expected.

JIM PURCELL

Let’s all get back to the real enemy here–rampant rate of use of services driven by every increasing chronic illness.  Now THAT might be a worth focus.

The above comments are inciteful, and, as a wise old lawyer once said to me, “they have the additional benefit of being the truth.”

MICHEL ACCAD

Jim,

How is the statement that the rampant use of services is driven by increasing chronic illness substantiated?

I am genuinely asking without doubting that it is true, but there can be funny business about what constitutes chronic illnesses.

Is “high cholesterol” a chronic illness?  Osteoporosis?  Uncomplicated diabetes defined on the basis of an abnormal lab test?  Millions of people have chronic diseases that are quasi fabricated by the medical establishment.  There’s a deep seated confusion between factors of risk and actual disease.

MARGALIT GUR-ARIE

If I am not mistaken, Americans see doctors less often and are hospitalized less often and for shorter stays than most OECD countries. We take more drugs, get more MRIs and have more hip and joint replacements, all of which are obscenely overpriced by comparison to OECD, and other than some meds for over-diagnosed stuff like pre-this or pre-that or the depression “epidemic”, these things have little to do with chronic disease.
Chronic disease, however you define it, does consume most resources, but that is true in other countries as well. We can’t just say that our solution to unaffordability of medical care is to make people healthy (not that there’s anything wrong with making people healthy…).

JIM PURCELL

The data indicate the Americans are far more chronically ill than others. Chronic illness accounts for at least 75% of US medical expenditures according to CDC (their number is actually higher, and I had a hard time believing it myself). Chronic illness overwhelmingly is a result of unhealthy lifestyles which we Americans are expert at. Yes, fee levels for certain things (most of which we would not need if we lived healthier lifestyles and were not chronically ill) are obscene; and yes, 30% of care is waste and error–those would be good to address as well. I’m just saying we seem to be missing the forest for the you know what. Healthy people don’t use services. We need scads of healthy people buying health insurance to cover one chronically ill person.

If I am in any way missing something, please let me know cuz I’m writing a book on this. I’d really appreciate your insights.

And I love the respectful and collaborative tone of our interchanges; and yet if we disagree, we say so. Let’s keep this up.

HAYWARD ZWERLING

The “ridiculous” prices need to be abolished, by Federal fiat.

Clearly, capitalism does not work to control healthcare costs and all the other industrialized countries understand this. We have already tired multiple variation of “capitalism” in healthcare, over the last 4-5 decades, and every variant has failed and was then replaced by another variant which then failed.

It is time to move on to solutions which have been objectively demonstrated to work.

ANISH KOKA, MD

I think there’s enough waste in us healthcare right now – whether that be low value care, unnecessary care, or iv fluids in hospitals that cost $1000. I mean basic labs at the local AMC are 1100 dollars, and yes that all came out of the deductible.

We have to differentiate agreeing as a society to pay for these ridiculously upcharged items, paying for things such as transplant ( NNT of 1, payoff could be 5 yrs of life with lung transplant or 30+ with pediatric liver transplant) and paying for 95 year olds to get percutaneous aortic valves.

The richest country in the world can afford and should pay for miracles (transplant, curative gene therapy, or curative cancer therapy) – it just needs to prioritize and focus on some of the bad actors taking advantage of taxpayer largesse due to a rigged system (We can start with non profit teaching hospitals that long ago lost their way)

STEVEN SOUMERAI

These are hopeful and interesting remarks. Pray that they come to fruition.

I also agree with Anish that we have to eliminate the waste. But so far, we have mostly built ineffective policies that throw out the baby with the bathwater. For many decades we have failed to come up with policies that carve out the fat and leave the valuable care. I partly blame all the foolish incentive and penalty policies created by Obamacare that don’t have anything to do with the causes of the deficits– pay for performance (see our Vox/THCB/Huff Post/Boston Globe pieces on that), ACOs, non-payment for preventable infections and readmissions, discriminatory wellness penalties (the legal basis for giving employers your genome without asking first), yada, yada. There is actually science out there to refute those and a ton of other policies.

To tell the truth, the things that work take a little more thought, incl educational partnerships with physicians like face-to-face drug academic detailing (we published in NEJM in 1983!) and the Yale studies that showed that interdisciplinary teams of docs, social workers, nurses and pharmacists could prevent readmission of frail elderly through TEACHING about drug adherence and other things at discharge and at home. Less is more. They actually learned about the determinants of the problem before acting on the basis of unidimensional and useless economic theories that didn’t survive the voyage from business to health. I have voted Democratic — well except for Governor Charlie Baker (even if we clashed once when I advocated for medications as a necessary component of Mass health reform). But Obamacare is a mess. I hope one day that half of it is abolished so that the valuable things can live on (clearly this was not the anti-science Republican bill).

The way that the innovation center at CMS does its evaluations of those silly ACA penalties is to ask for proposals and pick a tiny fraction of the best delivery systems, “The All-Star Baseball Team” that they then compare to those who couldn’t or wouldn’t even write a proposal. Like Pioneer ACOs (they quit anyway), maybe now MACRA? These policy evaluations don’t meet standards of systematic reviews and are excluded from them; my doctoral students love to point out the fatal flaws and can’t believe that anyone could believe them. Yes, the evidence needs restoration. Neither administration has respected it.

We need to commit to a true rigorous learning system before we pay for billions and trillions of ineffective policies (HITECH comes to mind- that’s another sad story). Best, Steve

Leave a Reply

17 Comments on "After the American Health Care Act"


Member
Mar 29, 2017

A little addition to my speculation above about Trump possibly doing a 180 and supporting a populist solution that would gain the support of the Democrats and a minority of the Republicans in Congress, since that is the only kind of bill that would actually gain a majority across both houses.

At a reception last night for top Senators and their spouses, Trump claimed (in contrast to everything else he has said recently) that healthcare reform is not dead, in fact it could
happen rather quickly, and he is eager to work with … the Democrats. Even calling out Chuck Schemer, of all people, like he’s his new pal.

Democrats uniformly say that the starting point for working with the President is to _not_ repeal the ACA but to improve and support it.

It does make me wonder whether someone talking sense (maybe Gary Cohn) has gotten to him with the news that:
o Obamacare is _not_ imploding, spiraling down or anything likethat
o that actually only about 9% of the population is now without healthcare insurance at any given point, which experts in insurance think is close to as low as you can get, even under a universal scheme such as Medicare For All (undocumented, homeless, people in transition one way or another, etc.)
o that if ACA and the health insurance situation gets worse from here on in, voters will blame him, not Obama, despite what he claims
o that there really is no hope for the Republicans coming up with a solution
o that there really is no hope for the scenario he has talked about several times, that Obamacare will rapidly fall apart and the Democrats will come crawling to him ready to make a deal to save it.
o that his popularity is lower for this point in his presidency than any President since polling began
o that, in other words, he has a very weak hand. If he wants to not get blamed for things getting worse and worse, if he wants to get something done as a President, if he wants to live up at least in part to some of his expansive campaign promises, he has to go to the Democrats and offer them a deal they can go with to improve and extend the ACA rather than repeal it.

And now Ryan is allegedly going to attempt a re-vote on some version of his bill next week. Trump’s clumsy attempt at new chumminess with the Democrats could be read as urging them not to weaken, to continue to oppose Ryancare, because then they can deal with him, who will give them a much better deal.

Maybe. Could be. Possible. We’ll see.

Member
Jwood
Mar 28, 2017

I’m disappointed it didn’t pass for the simple fact of the tax cut it would have provided. Having been a part of this blog for all of two weeks, I’m now getting an understanding of what the factions are, and I assume it’s the same for the rest of the population. Either you believe in and want only a Universal “single-payer” system or just want to be snarky and negative.

Why can’t health care policy be an ever changing art and a “fun” challenge/puzzle to solve, like going to the moon. Why is it so negative, why so much snark? I think I know why, because people on that side of it don’t admit what they really want, socialized medicine. I admit, that I do not.

I’m tired of having the argument that people are “dying in the street” and the US has the worst healthcare system in the world and the people of the US have only the worst intentions. Its like reading news about our country from Iran or North Korea about how bad and stupid people we are because we believe in individual liberty. Our system has brought more people out of poverty than any other in the world. Fact.

I honestly believe that the ACA was put in to fail, the math never made sense as is true for most entitlements. The government and most municipalities will find/pay an actuary to tell them what they want to hear, that you can pay in a little and get a lot, but it’s just not true. That their pension/retiree healthcare will hold up. Inevitably someone will have to put in more and get less for that to work. The private sector can’t do that, they must be ethical and responsible or they go out of business. Govt’ never goes out of business. Ask any actuary worth their salt who is more responsible with their pension/healthcare liability,a government or a private company. It’s no comparison.

Member
Allan
Mar 28, 2017

jwood, I agree with most of what you are saying, but (there is always a but) I would not be so harsh on those Republicans refusing to vote for the bill. Over the approximate 7 years since the bill was passed the Republican leadership promised repeal of the ACA if they just got enough votes in the House and Senate. They got those votes and passed legislation to replace the ACA with a Republican plan. It was vetoed over and over again. When they then controlled the Presidency they changed their bill and made it into a supposed three part adventure. Is the Republican main stream leadership honest and do they have backbone? That is the question.

What they should have done is passed a repeal and a replacement bill. If the Senate needed more votes than the Republicans had they could have looked for Democratic support or compromise with the Democrats at that time. If the Democrats refused support then it would have been them that are the obstructionists and would pay the price of the American wrath.

What do we do now? Exactly what is suggested above sometime in the near future. The ACA is falling apart. Premiums are going to go up again. The wrath of the American public will be even greater so a refusal by the Democrats might hurt them mid year so complete replacement of the ACA might actually occur, possibly with some compromise.

Member
Jwood
Mar 28, 2017

Allan I agree with you, I guess I should have worded it better. I’m first disappointed they didn’t put up the right bill to repeal. But I honestly think passing it (at least in the house first go round) so senate could make some changes and it would’ve gone back to the house for a final vote would not have been the end of the world. Just my opinion, hopefully they’ll put up something better and it will pass I’ll be proved wrong. I emailed my local congressman asking why he was against it and then where his bill was? It’s a good question… What changed when all of those other bills were passed? It’s such a strange world those politicians live in, that’s why I’m for term limits.

I don’t believe that one democrat will ever vote for any part of a republican legislation on healthcare at this point and vice versa. I also don’t understand all of the rules of congress and why Rome has to be built in a day with healthcare. I would rather move forward, start to change the things we can all agree on (at least what the republican’s should be able to agree on) and avoid the collapse. Then, make incremental changes as we are able. i would actually love to see rep. Mo Brooks bill passed, but just not gonna happen.

Member
Allan
Mar 28, 2017

“would not have been the end of the world”

I agree with you jwood, but the President ran on repealing the ACA while the Republicans had countless numbers of repeal and replace bills vetoed. The leadership kept blaming their inability to do something on a lack of power, but now they have both branches of the legislature and the Presidency. Why the sudden change when you have the power? That creates distrust and frankly I don’t trust the mainstream Republicans any more than I trust the Democrats.

Ryan, probably considered one of the smartest of the Republicans, has been in politics almost his entire adult life which means that his world is Washington D.C. He thought he could push HIS bill through despite all that history. He makes the party look weak, duplicitous and ineffective. I’ve never liked either party and this is why.

At this point Democrats won’t vote for Republican legislation, but wait until premiums go up and the ACA becomes more dysfunctional. The objective of all is that Americans have good access to quality care at a reasonable price. I am almost sure some Democrats are not pure ideologues and will sign up with a reasonable Republican bill. If they don’t they will have to live with the ACA on their record something that will lead to further defeat and a lot of pain to American citizens. (Trump is not an expert in this field and can swing in a wide direction especially if he senses incompetence.)

Healthcare reform isn’t rocket science. It doesn’t take much to create a plan whether it be conservative or liberal. The problem lies with the feeble brains of politicians that are looking to push an ideology while getting reelected.

Member
Barry Carol
Mar 29, 2017

Allan, it would cost quite a lot to provide reinsurance protection against excessive claims losses for insurers. It would cost a lot to provide subsidies for people who can’t afford health insurance even if they’re healthy and can pass underwriting. It would cost a lot to provide subsidies for people who are unhealthy or already sick and are therefore uninsurable. That’s all on top of what we’re already spending for Medicare and Medicaid. Taxpayers aren’t willing to pay what it would take to do all that at either the federal or state level. That’s the rub in my opinion.

Separately, imagine what it would cost if we had a Medical Benefit Guarantee Corporation similar to the current Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. Every time a company went bankrupt, the MBGC would pick up the cost of employer sponsored health insurance. Per employer premiums would likely be woefully inadequate just as they are for the PBGC. So that would cost still more money.

I’m starting to think that we are ultimately going to wind up with a single payer Medicare for all system which I’ve always opposed. On the positive side of Medicare for all, you can’t be denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions and you can’t lose it if you lose your job or get too sick to work. The downsides could be pretty bad if provider reimbursement rates are inadequate and the effect on medical innovation would also likely be negative.

Member
Allan
Mar 29, 2017

“It would cost a lot”

Barry, yes healthcare costs a lot. The fact is that taxpayers are paying today far more than they need to.

“ On the positive side of Medicare for all,”

Call it what it would really be, Medicaid for all. It is strange that you rail against patients with high risk being placed on Medicaid being quite at ease place the entire nation on Medicaid despite your protestations against single payer.

Member
Steve2
Mar 28, 2017

On average, about 1100 private pension funds a year fail. They are backed up by a government insurance program.

http://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/report/bankrupt-pensions-and-insolvent-pension-insurance-the-case-multiemployer

Member
pjnelson
Mar 27, 2017

Soon, it will all begin to move from an evolving high-stakes drama to either a Shakespearean comedy when Trump “pulls a rabbit out of the hat” by a Congressional redo ( “deus ex machina,” if you wish ) or a Shakespearean tragedy when Trump leaves the Presidency as a result of an unforeseen tragic event.

Member
Mar 27, 2017

Always surprising as I read through numerous post-mortems: Anyone considering that most of the discussion appears to assume that the healthcare system of today will be the same system 5 years from now? While we argue about financing today’s system, the array of healthcare “products” will be changing before our very eyes. Was some of the “repeal and replace” a return to Bricks-and-mortar hospital-based care and a rejection of the move towards preventive health and other interventions that may reduce the incomes of specialists that have perfected soon-to-be outdated procedures and surgeries? That’s a question we should be asking as Dr. Price now starts to take advantage of the HHS discretion built into the ACA.

Member
Toolate
Mar 27, 2017

Not one mention of the outpouring of opposition to this godawful piece of legislation in town halls etc ? Seems to me that this was the real message

Member
Steve2
Mar 26, 2017

The disappointing part here was the lack of effort and the wrong priority. They wanted to repeal on the 23rd because it was the anniversary of the ACA. Rather than take the time to build a consensus within their own party, they prioritized symbolism over substance. If the symbolism was their priority, they should have started working on this sooner and made it a priority. Choosing such an awful priority, and then being too lazy or incompetent to actually work at it is disappointing. I honestly cannot remember a prior time when a party had a large majority in the House and was unable to pass a bill.

I am not nearly so hopeful about the future as those above. Just because Trump was successful at real estate, does not mean he will be successful at other things (football leagues, Trump University and Trump steaks come to mind). I had thought it pretty clear that Trump was largely ignorant about most policy issues, and especially health care. I had assumed that the grown ups in the GOP would take care of the details and make it work within the party, and use Trump to sell it to the public. Instead, Trump did a lousy job selling it to the public. Since he didn’t understand it, he didn’t come off well. There was no public groundswell of support. But worse, the grown ups couldnt even make it work within their own party. Last of all, not that many 70 y/o guys learn new tricks well, so I am not that optimistic about his learning anything from this.

Elections have consequences. I expect that the GOP will eventually pass something, and I probably won’t like much of what they pass, but they won. My take home from this event and the response of Trump and the GOP leaders is that they still don’t see that they failed on policy. They view this as a failure of politics and a lack of loyalty. My concern is that they will concentrate on persuasion/coercion rather than fix policy.

Steve

Admin
Mar 27, 2017

I honestly cannot remember a prior time when a party had a large majority in the House and was unable to pass a bill.

Hmm…1993-4 health reform (Hillary care) 80 seat majority in house, 53 seats in Senate? 1973 health reform (Nixon would have signed it) 2007 immigration reform (Bush would have signed it)

Governing in the US not as easy as it looks….is it Uberfurherwannabe Trump?

Member
Steve2
Mar 27, 2017

I am old enough to remember the 73 attempt and am not so certain Nixon would have signed, but you are correct about the Clinton attempt.

Steve

Member
Mar 26, 2017