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TECH/CONSUMERS/QUALITY: Information Therapy and care management

This panel has representatives from a care management vendor (Health Dialog), a staff model integrated system (GHCPS) and a big insurer (United).

Shorter George Bennet, Health Dialog — You make $3 for every 88 cents you spend on care management when you get the doctors involved. So the answer is to get care management companies to pay doctors to deliver information therapy, and pay them based on how well their patients can answer simple questions.

Best joke (from James Hereford at Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound) — you know you’re west of the Mississippi when the agenda has both a Holstein and a Hereford on it.

Shorter James Hereford– Group Health is a provider that takes risk (a la Kaiser), and we don’t think like other insurers (and so it has hired a recovering mathematician to improve its consumer health systems). They’ve decided that the use of the web is to integrate and spread information, based around a clinical information system (Epic) and a messaging system. They had a business case for driving integration using technology–but most organizations don’t. Their payback for their $40m investment is in five years, and some facilities have done more eVisit (touches) than actual visits for their secure messaging. Now they have one in three of their patients using it. And they saved $1.4 million in transcription costs. In addition, they believe that with each email they are replacing a phone call, which costs $16-18 or a visit which obviously costs more.

Shorter Bob Tavares, UnitedHealth Group: If you want Information Therapy and consumer portal web sites, you’d better have some goals as to what you’re trying to achieve. United’s consumers site had no goals and Bob has just been hired to figure out what they are! So create some goals about the impact web-based therapy has on for example replacing inpatient care with outpatient procedures (and BTW saving United some cash). Consumers want benefit, costs and treatment outcomes/ quality information all in one place.

CONSUMERS: Jessie Gruman on hammers and nails

Shorter Jess Gruman (Center for Advancement of Health):

Information therapy only works when the information is relevant to the exact individual and their exact culture — and patients vary tremendously in how they need to have that information conveyed to them, and their ability to deal with information and reality! So you guys (the information therapy crowd) have got your work out out for you!! If you think information therapy is a hammer, then not everyone is a nail.

TECH/CONSUMERS: Holstein on Information Therapy

So it’s Fall in Park City, so here are some pictures of the view I’m getting.

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Yes that is a weather balloon rising over the valley.

Meanwhile back to the conference. Roger Holstein just left WebMd after it was spun off from the newly titled Emdeon. His talk is making think we’re back in 1998, by the way he’s reading his talk, which is a little off from a major keynoter.  However, he’s a powerful guy with a strong track record and what he’s saying is right, although it’s preaching to the converted here.

Imgp4559 As for the content. He started off saying that the Internet has changed the world. I think I heard the same thing back in the day 10 years ago about how amazing the Internet was and how it changed the world from Esther Dyson or Paul Saffo. Holstein is giving the "how great the Internet is now" (rather than the 1998 model of how great it was about to be) and how that the net will change healthcare, all put around the patient using technology.

This chart looks disturbingly like the original Healtheon chart from Jim Clark.

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However, he thinks that benefit information as provided by payers is woefully inadequate. No shit, Sherlock.  He thinks that payers need to expose understandable payment data, and benefit data, as that will help payers get HRAs (health risk assessments, he means not health reimbursement accounts) plus claims to personalize a person’s health record. The reduction in FICA taxes alone on the money diverted to FSAs (flexible spending accounts) should justify the cost of creating that information on a portal (I’m not sure that I agree with him that it’s that cheap!)  But today’s tools are far from where the market needs to be.  He’s right; although I was selling a "good enough" tool in 2001!

Providers: we should be able to do comparisons the way we do car shopping online — including information about outcomes and costs. And hospitals should have costs and outcomes (and cost per outcome) information up on the web…he used an example from New York where he had colon surgery. NYU med center had a 5% mortality rate while Sloan Kettering’s was 2% and Sloan-Kettering was $20,000 cheaper (although Alain Enthoven points out that it hasn’t changed patient or physician behavior in NYC or in Pennsylvania). He believes that combining that information with information therapy (right information to patients in right manner at right time) will really change behaviors in the system.

He thinks that it’s "funny" that payers have trouble connecting with consumers despite the fact that they have their health information and their financial information about their health. They should put them together for members.

Provider information–Medicare should release public data about hospitals and providers. And it should really show quality at a useful level that consumers want –to make sure this doesn’t fall under the control of big health plans. In addition consumers want much better information about providers(including physician specific severity-adjusted outcomes), who have a terrible information distribution track record. We should also allow consumers and physicians the ability to compare their care to national standards.

If the health care organizations spent more time sharing their data, then we’d get much better information about what works and what doesn’t, for example in off-label use of chemotherapy. But in oncology the information about staging, diagnosis, and drug use is already submitted on the medical claim if only payers would share that data de-identified, we could really advance this science very quickly.

I asked Holstein why it took so long for this information to get to where it is today. He says that it’s employers who are driving this and now finally health plans are following along. If you build it can you make them come? Maybe not, but if they do come change is tremendous. He says it’s happening now.

What about getting the data right for doctors, who say that the data’s always wrong?  He suggests that if you give the consumers access to the data they will self correct it, so then the data reported back to the docs from the health plan will be more accurate.

Interesting stuff, but I need to hear more about incentives and/or regulation….

TECH/CONSUMERS: Information Therapy, and a patient changing the world one baby at a time

So the Information Therapy, largely driven by Molly Mettler and Don Kemper from Healthwise, is the concept that if you put the right information in the right place and to the right person at the right time, then it can be transformative in health care, and health care can make money off it. Imgp4552

In order to get us jazzed about making money Molly gave 20 lucky winners who found chocolates under their seat a lottery ticket from the store in Boise, ID that has sold two multi-million dollar winning lottery tickets. I won $1.

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The first speaker was Susan Sheridan, chair of the Patients, Patient Safety Program from the WHO — A "consumer" who’s baby was rendered with cerebral palsy and husband was killed by two separate medical errors. Her first baby was visually assessed and noted to be yellow, but no one did anything else other than to give them a pamphlet about jaundice, but never said that it would cause brain damage or that she could ask for a test. 36 hours later after being told not to worry about it, he eventually was diagnosed with massive jaundice, which led to brain damage and the condition, kernicterus.

Her husband had a tumor, and they were told that the cells were typical.  6 months later it got worse–and eventually went into the spinal cord. Of course the test said "atypical", but they never saw that until that until after he died and she got the chart.

In neither case was the mistake revealed to them. She thinks that the most damaging problem for patients is the lack of disclosure (she didn’t say cover-up, but that’s what it is). She set up an organization called PICK, and browbeat the CDC, JACHO, AHQR, and a bunch of other agencies to issue alerts and tell hospitals to make the bilirubin test for excessive jaundice. But it’s still happening, and there are not yet universal screens for this. New guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics were re-issued, and they are producing films via hospitals and March of Dimes. HCA and other hospitals are working on it.

There’s now a campaign called What’s your baby’s Billi? and you can buy a wristband.  Give one out at a baby shower, and raise awareness.  My guess is that at $1 a bilirubin test (same blood as the PKU test that’s done anyway) its about $3m a year, which is probably a quarter the cost of a lifetime care for the average patient.

CalThis is a partnership  organization driven by a really determined person. But there still isn’t universal screening in hospitals even though there have obviously been lawsuits, and there’s tons of information. It sounds like a no-brainer, but it seems to be a typical story of the system not reacting–even when it can be easily done

I asked about the litigation she was involved in. Usually in order to get the money, plaintiffs have to sign gag clauses. Litigation now is being seen as a high-dollar issue for lawyers. Susan went to trial to avoid the gag order. But she wants the gag orders abolished–because of the gag orders, no one knew about this. But clearly this is a damn expensive game of Russian roulette for hospitals that are not routinely doing the bilirubin test, and providers who don’t put the patient information out there showing them the true level of risk.

But the good news is that one person can change the world, one baby at a time.

CONSUMERS: New category and Information therapy conference

Today I am adding a new category, to which probably a lot of the consumer-directed stuff will get at least a shared nomination.  The category is consumers, and this is intended to catch all I write about the consumerization of health care. I’ve been doing this for a while–in fact I wrote two reports on health care consumers at IFTF back in the 1990s and I still use the same slides (sorry to those who’ll see them next week but Pammy Anderson still looks good!).

Anyway, the rest of this week I’m at the Information Therapy conference in my second favorite place in the world, Park City, Utah — even if I did leave the majority of my left knee there in 2002. Hopefully there’ll be live blogging from there. Probably not much more before late Wednesday Mountain time.